Management Thomas Frank

[Richard Arlison]

Not a dig at you, because I've no idea of your position on Ange, but a "fat Aussie fraud" got us 5th in his very first season in the Premier League, with much the same squad as we have now.

If Thomas Frank is the tactical genius and football mastermind, some on here claim he is, he should be getting top 4 next season at the absolute minimum, especially given he's got plenty more PL experience.

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Indeed, he’s not a fraud from nothing leagues that anyone could win. He should find 5th easy and really we should be expecting 4th in season 1, then a trophy in season 2.

Obviously that’s too much to expect from him and without having a dig at Frank, if he gets 5th and has a decent crack at the FA Cup, he will have achieved par. Levy will handicap him for CL and it will be his first go at Europe so a steep learning curve.

 

[Skippa18]

Not a dig at you, because I've no idea of your position on Ange, but a "fat Aussie fraud" got us 5th in his very first season in the Premier League, with much the same squad as we have now.

If Thomas Frank is the tactical genius and football mastermind, some on here claim he is, he should be getting top 4 next season at the absolute minimum, especially given he's got plenty more PL experience.

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Postecoglou did that without any European football.

Struggled so bad at juggling European football and prem football, he had to throw the league by his own bullshit admission(reality was he just couldn't cope) finished 17th

Yet the new man needs to finish top 4 whilst in a much tougher euro tournament. Why are you willing to give Ange all the time and not Frank

 

[glacierSpurs]

Already see how expectations for Frank already lowered so he will be deemed fit as our manager, better and more successful. Lol

That's what a manager coming from mid-table does to people. And that's what's Levy always wanted these people to believe. Instantly we degraded ourselves so much by our chairman and some of our fans.

Pathetic. Sort of another season throwing away and deemed ok before it even started.

 

[Skippa18]

Already see how expectations for Frank already lowered so he will be deemed fit as our manager, better and more successful. Lol

That's what a manager coming from mid-table does to people. And that's what's Levy always wanted these people to believe. Instantly we degraded ourselves so much by our chairman and some of our fans.

Pathetic. Sort of another season throwing away and deemed ok before it even started.

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We finished 17th getting smacked left right and centre in the league.

What are you on about under Postecoglou we wasn't even operating at mid table level

 

[glacierSpurs]

We finished 17th getting smacked left right and centre in the league.

What are you on about under Postecoglou we wasn't even operating at mid table level

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Yeah, we were more than that.

 

[OziBeerMan]

Postecoglou did that without any European football.

Struggled so bad at juggling European football and prem football, he had to throw the league by his own bullshit admission(reality was he just couldn't cope) finished 17th

Yet the new man needs to finish top 4 whilst in a much tougher euro tournament. Why are you willing to give Ange all the time and not Frank

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Won a trophy with a ridiculous injury crisis. Irrespective of who was to blame for that crisis, that is still a fact.

 

[PerthPaul]

I honestly don't think we should be setting specific targets for next season.

Judging on a top 4 finish, or a trophy in someone's first season will potentially just lead to more unrest.

What if we got to CL Q/F, FA final losers and finished 6th or even 7th in the league. However we saw a real identity growing, a real system of play, and signs that with the right players we could go places?

Barring a complete travesty in the league like this season, he should be given this year to implement his system of play, his methodology and to change the squad up. In his 2nd season we can look at what our expectations are.

If we say no trophy and no top 4 is a failure, then what then? We change the manager again? Then the whole cycle just continues on again.

 

[walter]

We had zero European football when Ange got top 5 and the league was weaker. Villa and Newcastle have risen since then, Chelsea are also improved. It’s probably the most competitive top 6 fight ever on paper next season.

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I don't think it's going to be any stronger than it was this season, let alone the previous one. Besides Pochettino had a year with piss weak competition when Leicester won the League but still only managed 3rd.

Anyway the strenth of the League was apparently not a mitigating factor for our poor performance this season under the "useless clown" Postecoglou. I can't see why it should be for Frank in the next one.

Frank will have to manage CL and fight against that. Nobody thinks he’s a genius or a mastermind but as a good coach I expect to see a well coached team. Where we finish will depend greatly on many, many factors outside of how great he is.

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Wait a second. Ange supporters have been told repeatedly this season, that Tottenham are a big enough club, that they should be able to compete on multiple fronts. How is it acceptable to lower our expectations, for Thomas Frank, because we're in four competitions next season but not for Postecoglou?

Ange finishing 5th first season was on paper very good, but after the first 10 games we went downhill and lost all sense of progress and then finished the season horrendously badly and clung on to fifth barely. It left a bad taste in the mouth.

Contrast to Poch first season where we grew as the season went on and had a huge 5-3 win over Chelsea plus reaching a final. Clear progress. Players developing. A team which was obviously being coached to get better.

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And a team that, utimately, won nothing.

 

[Skippa18]

Yeah, we were more than that.

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You can't answer the question,

so play a trump card that is equivalent to:

 

[SpursDNA]

Yeah, we were more than that.

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Second tier European trophy not on offer next season but like I said in an earlier post, Frank’s goal should be to finish in a West Spam conference league spot next season (7th or 8th) … then he can sacrifice the League to go for 2nd and 3rd tier European glory in years 2 and 3.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Postecoglou did that without any European football.

Struggled so bad at juggling European football and prem football, he had to throw the league by his own bullshit admission(reality was he just couldn't cope) finished 17th

Yet the new man needs to finish top 4 whilst in a much tougher euro tournament. Why are you willing to give Ange all the time and not Frank

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We should judge managers against the club, not the previous coach.

The target should be silverware and challenging for major honours every season. We are the 8th richest club in the world and THE most profitable in the world. Anything less than silverware is a failure by the club and protests should continue.

Frank, like his predecessors, won’t get the resources to win anything and the same fans who bought into every narrative about all the previous managers, will buy into the negative narratives built around Frank. The pressure will stay off the club and on the manager and the cycle will perpetuate.

 

[SpursDNA]

I don't think it's going to be any stronger than it was this season, let alone the previous one. Besides Pochettino had a year with piss weak competition when Leicester won the League but still only managed 3rd.

Anyway the strenth of the League was apparently not a mitigating factor for our poor performance this season under the "useless clown" Postecoglou. I can't see why it should be for Frank in the next one.

Wait a second. Ange supporters have been told repeatedly this season, that Tottenham are a big enough club, that they should be able to compete on multiple fronts. How is it acceptable to lower our expectations, for Thomas Frank, because we're in four competitions next season but not for Postecoglou?

And a team that, utimately, won nothing.

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Year 1: European spot in the league (not CL) early cup exits (sacrifice CL as Ange didn’t have to deal with it)

Year 2: Win a European Cup (not CL) while sacrificing the League

That’s what Ange achieved so for the Ange-in folks that should be good enuf for Frank. Why are you asking more from Frank than you did from Ange?

 

[Sir Archibald Crooks]

Demanding a new manager has to achieve this and that in his first season is laughable. Postecoglou made a big deal of climbing from 8th to 5th with no European football and 3 domestic cup games. How can you expect someone to climb 13 places up the table with CL football on top? Its all a bit childish and sulky.

The targets should be to start building the team, coherent play, improving players, stop losing so many games and see where it takes us. To have a competitive league season we have to add around 30 extra points from last season. Prime Ferguson would probably struggle with that.

 

[Skippa18]

Won a trophy with a ridiculous injury crisis. Irrespective of who was to blame for that crisis, that is still a fact.

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He should have performed better in the league it's as simple as that he would have kept his job too.

Do you know how Thomas Frank found out how to utilise a his 532 formation?

He had injuries to both of his 1st choice full backs in the closing stages of Brentfords promotion season.

He adapted early knowing it was beneficial to his team, he protected his players and not exposing their weaknesses due to injury.

What a good coach should do

 

[_mehstg]

Indeed, he’s not a fraud from nothing leagues that anyone could win. He should find 5th easy and really we should be expecting 4th in season 1, then a trophy in season 2.

Obviously that’s too much to expect from him and without having a dig at Frank, if he gets 5th and has a decent crack at the FA Cup, I’ll be happy. Levy will handicap him for CL and it will be his first go at Europe so a steep learning curve.

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The problem Richard is that winning has been replaced by existing.

I hated the league form but loved that feeling of winning a trophy and it's how much stock you put in those two things that will form your final opinion. I am very clear there should be no season 3, but we should be hiring an elite manager to help us kick on to the next level. I don't believe Frank is elite, and I dont think he's the best available manager albeit there doesn't appear to be an outstanding candidate.

In terms of what success looks like next season, I'd take 9th and an FA Cup over 5th and a good crack at the FA Cup every day.

 

[_mehstg]

Already writing off another season.

I honestly don't think we should be setting specific targets for next season.

Judging on a top 4 finish, or a trophy in someone's first season will potentially just lead to more unrest.

What if we got to CL Q/F, FA final losers and finished 6th or even 7th in the league. However we saw a real identity growing, a real system of play, and signs that with the right players we could go places?

Barring a complete travesty in the league like this season, he should be given this year to implement his system of play, his methodology and to change the squad up. In his 2nd season we can look at what our expectations are.

If we say no trophy and no top 4 is a failure, then what then? We change the manager again? Then the whole cycle just continues on again.

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[Skippa18]

We should judge managers against the club, not the previous coach.

The target should be silverware and challenging for major honours every season. We are the 8th richest club in the world and THE most profitable in the world. Anything less than silverware is a failure by the club and protests should continue.

Frank, like his predecessors, won’t get the resources to win anything and the same fans who bought into every narrative about all the previous managers, will buy into the negative narratives built around Frank. The pressure will stay off the club and on the manager and the cycle will perpetuate.

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I expect any European football is the league expectation for Frank with decent player investment.

Did the club not give Postecoglou significant resources to do his job? He won the Europa League after all.

 

[walter]

Year 1: European spot in the league (not CL) early cup exits (sacrifice CL as Ange didn’t have to deal with it)

Year 2: Win a European Cup (not CL) while sacrificing the League

That’s what Ange achieved so for the Ange-in folks that should be good enuf for Frank. Why are you asking more from Frank than you did from Ange?

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Because Ange supporters, have been told repeatedly that Postecoglou is a pub team manager, who is way out of his depth in the Premier League.

We've also been told that Thomas Frank is a "proper" manager, so it's not unreasonable to expect him to outperform Ange is it?

For the record, I'd be fairly happy with the scenario you've outlined above, albeit pretty astonished too. I personally don't think Frank will do anywhere near that well.

I'm not sure how Daniel Levy, would feel about it though.

 

[Malibu]

Not a dig at you, because I've no idea of your position on Ange, but a "fat Aussie fraud" got us 5th in his very first season in the Premier League, with much the same squad as we have now.

If Thomas Frank is the tactical genius and football mastermind, some on here claim he is, he should be getting top 4 next season at the absolute minimum, especially given he's got plenty more PL experience.

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There’s no guarantee that Frank will get top 4 next season. Some of the clubs that ended in the European places last season, have already started strengthening their squads for next season .

We will have to see how much we have strengthened our squad when the TW closes before we have any idea how our final position in the PL may pan out.

 

[Matt1882]

I'm thinking Europa League is there for the taking now when CL teams aren't dropping down. Or best chance of getting another title might be to miss out on CL places next season and get EL again.

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We're in new territory with the europa league.
It's never been both a gateway to the CL AND excludes champions league drop outs.
It's more winnable and more desirable than literally ever before.