We’ll see. I’m nervous about any Brighton or brentford coach. They both have better recruitment than spurs have, even if the budget is a lot less. And neither have to deal with Europe.
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That whole season it looked like none of the players have a single shit, and it started under AVB. I think I remember him being really toxic. I made quite a few GIFs of it at the time. Looks like they got wiped when imageshack died
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At the moment he doesnt play. He is 29, and given he never had pace should be good to go for a few seasons yet - but cannot find a club. Even West Ham and Blackburn where he had recent loans arent interested. Its bizarre really. No questioning the guys quality, but his head is clearly beyonf...
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I still can't think of when I was more completely pissed off at a couple of players than this namby pamby pair.
Each to his own and I used to add vinegar but don’t now as I use the sieve method but it’s the best way to cook an egg imv
Remember it well and I had my usual rant !!
Annoying considering what they’re paid!
AVB has a better win% record with us than Conte, Pochettino. Redknapp, and most others including Bill Nicholson and Burkinshaw.That whole season it looked like none of the players have a single shit, and it started under AVB. I think I remember him being really toxic. I made quite a few GIFs of it at the time. Looks like they got wiped when imageshack died
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At the moment he doesnt play. He is 29, and given he never had pace should be good to go for a few seasons yet - but cannot find a club. Even West Ham and Blackburn where he had recent loans arent interested. Its bizarre really. No questioning the guys quality, but his head is clearly beyonf...
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Every managerial appointment comes with risk. The nature of the beast.
18 million for CL qualification (plus the additional money for playing in it) and 8 million for Europa win. And the 11 mill for our league place. So 37 million. Plus the additional match day revenue and prestige of playing CL. Oh, and a trophy
You’d imagine though the manager has a huge influence on player signings as it’s their vision and style they’re trying to implement.
I mean Ange got derided for the signing of Brennan Johnson. So maybe he wasn’t his signing????
Influence does not mean control
A manager's time at a club averages 2 years, and many clubs average 5 signings a year, so with a 25 man squad ..... NO manager is ever going to get all 'their' desired players in the squad.
A DoF role is to try to buy players who can serve the club long term (and most are signed on 5 year contracts) whilst also fitting to some extent the current managers desires. But that always means a compromise. Inevitable since its impossible for any club to buy a whole new squad for any incoming manager
FYI when Spurs signed Johnson, Frank and Brentford had to be outbid. He's a decent player (our top goalscorer last season) who is better as an inside forward (as Ange played him last season) rather than a winger as Ange played him in first season. Up to any manager to get the best out of players in the squad.
If 4-3-3 or 1-1-8
They play football that looks great
Fight in the leagues and cups of two
This is what Ange couldn't do
Players know what roles they play
At White Hart Lane or when away
Taking on all coaching trends
Thomas and his friends
0.73% difference to Poch but Poch managed 3.6 times as many games and many of those wins came against teams like Real Madrid or Man City in Champions league games. Not Europa league games.AVB has a better win% record with us than Conte, Pochettino. Redknapp, and most others including Bill Nicholson and Burkinshaw.
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1.05% difference to Conte from a slightly similar sample size. Mitigating factors for Conte. Death, illness, penalties that weren't penalties. Don't recall a single spanking under him?
5.51% difference to Redknapp. This is potentially skewed as Redknapp inherited a shit show from Ramos, steadily improved it over 4 seasons and handed it over to AVB having finished 4th the season before. So AVB rode a wave before crashing.
Stats can work in various ways if you scratch at the surface.
No, that’s fair but 99% the guy sticks his neck out he’s correct
Any agreement for Frank to move to Spurs includes Brentford say so - and if Frank wants certain players but Brentford over value them it becomes a diplomatic nightmare.
Fabrizio only said a deal had been done for Frank and staff to move - that may not mean terms had been fully agreed for players. And that is point I'm trying to make - I've seen plenty of examples where someone has said a 'deal has been done' when there are still other issues to resolve. A simple example is a house purchase where there is 'exchange' and 'completion' - at exchange most things are agreed but completion sometimes never happens for 1% of house purchases as something unforeseen pops out of the woodwork. I suspect we are at 'exchange' state rather than 'completion' otherwise Spurs would announce.
Ange's Celtic did poorly in Europe that's true. It's still European experience though. Don't you think it's possible that he learned something from that anyway? For example both his Celtic and Spurs sides played Bodø/Glimt. Celtic crashed out while Spurs beat them.
Do you think it's inconcievable that Ange might have gained some knowledge from his previous encounter that helped him beat them with Spurs?
No, of course you don't, because... it's Ange
Because I was hugely Ange out, and vocal about it, for a very long time, I'll say what I hope to see from Frank.
I want him to have us in the mix in the top 6. Whether we get top 4, or we just miss out, that is sometimes down to a bit of luck. If he has us any higher, fighting for the top 3, well that would be outstanding.
But more importantly. I want to see steady improvement.
I want to see a team that is organised. Highly motivated. Hard to beat. Dynamic. Has structure. Can look forward to a game knowing that we will turn up.
If we do that consistently, we will achieve things.
The bar has been set so low by Ange, it really couldn't get any lower.
Frank won't have to do much to improve on that and have the fans onside.
If the clowns who were Ange in, were happy to accept 22 league defeats in a season, then they should be all over Frank when he has us in the top half.
And for the people who say Brentford played like Stoke, do you even watch football? I mean wtf?
Brentford were a goal machine.
I usually have a bet on football, and I was always looking at over 2.5 goals in Brentford fixtures because they were so attacking and goal productive.
In fact, the big doubt for them, was keeping it tight at the other end. Often their games were goal fests.
So I think people will be surprised, how attacking we will be under Frank.
And let's be real here. Under Ange, our attacking football, particularly this year, was utter shit. Many games we looked totally ineffective going forward and never looked liked scoring. We haven't watched good football for a very long time.
So if we do start out a bit slow under Frank, what difference does it make?
I want him to have us in the mix in the top 6. Whether we get top 4, or we just miss out, that is sometimes down to a bit of luck. If he has us any higher, fighting for the top 3, well that would be outstanding.
But more importantly. I want to see steady improvement.
I want to see a team that is organised. Highly motivated. Hard to beat. Dynamic. Has structure. Can look forward to a game knowing that we will turn up.
If we do that consistently, we will achieve things.
The bar has been set so low by Ange, it really couldn't get any lower.
Frank won't have to do much to improve on that and have the fans onside.
If the clowns who were Ange in, were happy to accept 22 league defeats in a season, then they should be all over Frank when he has us in the top half.
And for the people who say Brentford played like Stoke, do you even watch football? I mean wtf?
Brentford were a goal machine.
I usually have a bet on football, and I was always looking at over 2.5 goals in Brentford fixtures because they were so attacking and goal productive.
In fact, the big doubt for them, was keeping it tight at the other end. Often their games were goal fests.
So I think people will be surprised, how attacking we will be under Frank.
And let's be real here. Under Ange, our attacking football, particularly this year, was utter shit. Many games we looked totally ineffective going forward and never looked liked scoring. We haven't watched good football for a very long time.
So if we do start out a bit slow under Frank, what difference does it make?
Yeah, I think they were in for him at some point?
Johnson would be generally more effective at BFC who play more on the break as you'd expect. I'm keen to see how he make use of him. If at all, who knows he might decide to sell him. But I've thought for a long time that his best position for us would be 2nd striker alongside Dom. His finishing is good, and I'm not talking about getting to the far post for the tap ins, which no one else can get to because they dont have his pace. His shooting when one on one is very accurate. More often than not he hits it across the keeper without away spin so gets inside the far post.
AVB has a better win% record with us than Conte, Pochettino. Redknapp, and most others including Bill Nicholson and Burkinshaw.
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Indeed - it doesn 't make a ton of sense, though.
In 2012/13 we got I think the most points ever to not get top 4 (72), and P38 W21 D9 L8 - which is the 55%
However, we went out in the 4th round of both domestic cups (to Norwich and Leeds) with P4 W2 L2 = 50% WR
In the Europa we went out to basel at QF on penalties - P12 W4 D7 L1 = 33% WR
In 2013/14 AVB was binned after match 16 in the league, with P16 W8 D3 L5 = 50% WR
We went out to Woolwich in the 3rd round of the League Cup, but in AVBs tenure it was P2 W1 D1 = 50% WR
The Europa was the play-offs, plus group stage. All won. P8 W8 = 100% WR
The stats have him as P80 W44 D20 L16 = 55%
In the league, it is P54 W29 D12 L13 = 53%
So the maths add up, but it still kind of makes no sense for what it felt like at the time and what I'm sure we all remember. Was it a case of getting results but the performances were terrible? I know it was "mutual constent" when he left and I seem to recall people connected to the club saying something like he wanted to quit in the heat of the moment. He said he had blazing arguments with Baldini, after the fact.
I would be happy with Arteta type appropriate pragmatism.
I will not be happy with lumping it up to a big man. And coming 7th watching mediocre..players.