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FightingIllini said:
Only one of these things can be true, is the thing.

If Forest is duty-bound to release him, he should be at Hotspur Way right now and SPURS should be the ones taking legal action to break down any barriers Forest are illegally placing in his way.
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And there we have it. Levy is sitting on pocket aces watching this fat clown raising into him.

I'm of the opinion that Levy will want to make a statement here and properly embarrass him. He'll counter sue.
 
Tomo said:
We don’t know that Spurs and MGW agency aren’t doing that already. Secondly just because legally you are bound do doing something doesn’t mean you do it. Their owner is a literal lunatic, by the tweets from Fabrizio Forest where allowing a medical and following the process then all of a sudden it stops. The obvious reason is the owner jumped in and had a strop. We are not dealing with a rational person, we are dealing with a Greek Trump.
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This seems correct, which gives us one absolute crystal-clear certainty in this fog of confusion:

Marinakis will NEVER, EVER accede to Spurs signing MGW for his 60M release clause. It doesn't matter if his accusations are false. The only circumstances under which that will EVER happen is via legal force.

Delay and hoping things will cool down is a mistake.

Don Pedro said:
And there we have it. Levy is sitting on pocket aces watching this fat clown raising into him.

I'm of the opinion that Levy will want to make a statement here and properly embarrass him. He'll counter sue.
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Well but that's where the uncertainty creeps back into it.

If the clause exists and has been validly exercised, we should sign and announce the player. Should have done so Friday, there was never any reason for delay.

.....has a validly existing clause been validly executed?

All the reporting is SAYING it has, but Spurs (and tbf Forest's) actions speak to some sense that it hasn't.
 
Tomo said:
We don’t know that Spurs and MGW agency aren’t doing that already. Secondly just because legally you are bound do doing something doesn’t mean you do it. Their owner is a literal lunatic, by the tweets from Fabrizio Forest where allowing a medical and following the process then all of a sudden it stops. The obvious reason is the owner jumped in and had a strop. We are not dealing with a rational person, we are dealing with a Greek Trump.
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Yeah I don't know why people are overthinking this, the clue is the timing of events, everything had been agreed with Forest which means we did speak with them, we can't just rock up and take their player for a medical without them knowing or their permission, that's not how it works lol

Then the next day Forest suddenly throw a tantrum and accuse us of wrongdoing, if we did anything wrong then there's no way they would have initially agreed to allow MGW to come and do his medical. Everything changed when greesy fuck got involved and threw a strop...someone has fucked up here and it ain't us.
 
AlabamaSpur said:
Here’s the thing I don’t get… couldn’t his agent just tell everyone what the release is?
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Yeah, I don't understand that either.

And even if, let's say, the agency signed an NDA with Forest with respect to the existence of the clause, and the agency just blatantly violated it by sharing the information with Spurs.

What would that have anything to do with the operation of the clause for Spurs to sign the player? The two things are unrelated.

We blinked here. We blinked on the day and continue to blink, and MGW blinked too by showing up to training.

Why?

What are we missing here?

The allegations that have been reported do not support the actions by any party to the dispute. Marinakis is an irrational actor, but Levy is not, MGW is not, and CAA Stellar really is not.

All of them would benefit by prosecuting this more aggressively and more publicly, yet the timidity and silence is only deepening. What are we not being told?
 
If we walked away here it could really hurt Forest. What decent up and coming player is going to risk their career knowing the club will just renege on contract clauses? If it’s a choice of Brighton, Forest and Brentford and you’re Elliott or Dibling - are you going to risk going to Forest?

Then add in that MGW won’t sign a new contract, will likely be demotivated and every man and his dog now knows he has a £60m release clause.

Everytime they bid for a player we should just keep getting involved to push the price up or delay the deal.

We should walk away from this MGW deal if it’s not resolved by Friday, let Forest deal with the mess and we can go after other targets - I’m not convinced he’s worth this bollocks
 
Tomo said:
The more I think about this the more stupid it is.

When we fucked up with Cordoso’s contract and allowed a loophole so Real Betis didn’t have to pay for their percentage of the sale relating to the Lo Celso transfer we recognised it was our doing. Levy didn’t throw a strop demanding legal action from not getting the contract right.

Forest put a clause in, it’s their doing not ours. The clause is activated and their owner is basically throwing his toys out the pram because he clearly doesn’t like the clause but it is a legal clause.
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He's probably so used to breaking the law and getting away with it, that he thinks he can do it here as well.
 
Tomo said:
The more I think about this the more stupid it is.

When we fucked up with Cordoso’s contract and allowed a loophole so Real Betis didn’t have to pay for their percentage of the sale relating to the Lo Celso transfer we recognised it was our doing. Levy didn’t throw a strop demanding legal action from not getting the contract right.
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Not sure losing the Cardoso sell-on fee has actually been officially confirmed by anyone reliable yet. Transfer hasn't even gone through yet.
 
FightingIllini said:
Yeah, I don't understand that either.

And even if, let's say, the agency signed an NDA with Forest with respect to the existence of the clause, and the agency just blatantly violated it by sharing the information with Spurs.

What would that have anything to do with the operation of the clause for Spurs to sign the player? The two things are unrelated.

We blinked here. We blinked on the day and continue to blink, and MGW blinked too by showing up to training.

Why?

What are we missing here?

The allegations that have been reported do not support the actions by any party to the dispute. Marinakis is an irrational actor, but Levy is not, MGW is not, and CAA Stellar really is not.

All of them would benefit by prosecuting this more aggressively and more publicly, yet the timidity and silence is only deepening. What are we not being told?
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You think this all gets resolved in a couple of days when lawyers are involved?

I thought you were American.
 
MGW is doing everything right , just playing it cool and not antagonizing them , he has a year left on his contract so he holds all the cards . He only has to tell them if they make him stay he won't sign a new contract and walk on a free at the end of his contract , they can't afford that .
This is just a grumpy fuck of an owner who has been caught with his pants down , sold Elanga never suspecting MGW would want to go as well , those 2 were the engine room for NF and it fucks them up massively .
That's problem when you get rich guys buying football teams but know FA about it and just want a toy .
 
I just feel like the Forest owner will just keep throwing shit at this until the deadline passes - if we’ve done nothing wrong then we’ve got to put our foot on their jugular and squeeze - go to the Prem ask them to sort it the fuck out pronto
 
Wild Night said:
MGW is doing everything right , just playing it cool and not antagonizing them , he has a year left on his contract so he holds all the cards . He only has to tell them if they make him stay he won't sign a new contract and walk on a free at the end of his contract , they can't afford that .
This is just a grumpy fuck of an owner who has been caught with his pants down , sold Elanga never suspecting MGW would want to go as well , those 2 were the engine room for NF and it fucks them up massively .
That's problem when you get rich guys buying football teams but know FA about it and just want a toy .
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He has 2 years left on his contract
 
Ionman34 said:
You think this all gets resolved in a couple of days when lawyers are involved?

I thought you were American.
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To the extent there's a legal dispute here (I would imagine the PL has the ability to force something like this into some sort of in-house arbitration but who knows) it's not going to be resolved in a year, let alone a month.

Again, there is only one thing that's clear here, and that's that Marinakis will never, ever under any possible set of circumstances, back down and accept that he was wrong. A Spurs strategy that includes that is a Spurs strategy that WILL fail.

Wild Night said:
MGW is doing everything right , just playing it cool and not antagonizing them , he has a year left on his contract so he holds all the cards
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He has two years left on his contract and he comprehensively surrendered to Forest by showing up today.

Per the facts as we are made to understand them, Morgan Gibbs-White is no longer under contract at Forest as of last week, or at the very least Forest is in breach of that contract.

He has no valid contractual obligation to train there. Again, per the facts we've been given. What are we missing?
 
FightingIllini said:
Yeah, I don't understand that either.

And even if, let's say, the agency signed an NDA with Forest with respect to the existence of the clause, and the agency just blatantly violated it by sharing the information with Spurs.

What would that have anything to do with the operation of the clause for Spurs to sign the player? The two things are unrelated.

We blinked here. We blinked on the day and continue to blink, and MGW blinked too by showing up to training.

Why?

What are we missing here?

The allegations that have been reported do not support the actions by any party to the dispute. Marinakis is an irrational actor, but Levy is not, MGW is not, and CAA Stellar really is not.

All of them would benefit by prosecuting this more aggressively and more publicly, yet the timidity and silence is only deepening. What are we not being told?
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That 9/11 was an inside job?
 
FightingIllini said:
To the extent there's a legal dispute here (I would imagine the PL has the ability to force something like this into some sort of in-house arbitration but who knows) it's not going to be resolved in a year, let alone a month.

Again, there is only one thing that's clear here, and that's that Marinakis will never, ever under any possible set of circumstances, back down and accept that he was wrong. A Spurs strategy that includes that is a Spurs strategy that WILL fail.


He has two years left on his contract and he comprehensively surrendered to Forest by showing up today.

Per the facts as we are made to understand them, Morgan Gibbs-White is no longer under contract at Forest as of last week, or at the very least Forest is in breach of that contract.

He has no valid contractual obligation to train there. Again, per the facts we've been given. What are we missing?
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You’re overthinking. Forest I’m sure have paperwork on their end and they just are holding it all up. He’s technically still their player.
 
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