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Player Alfie Devine

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I'm not even advocating Scarlett will make it, I'm saying an average player for a Championship side doing good for a top 6 teams when given an opportunity and play with better players. And I hope Lankshear is given opportunities here too, it's not that hard to give some minutes to our most promising players.
... and "some minutes" doesn't mean bringing them on in the 88th minute.
 
Exactly.

One speculative shot and suddenly he is the next coming.

Has not even completed anything over 75 minutes for Preston, either started as a sub, not in squad or substituted off..

Market value of maybe 5m, did nothing in Belgium to warrant anything other than another loan out or sale.

I imagine he will be bought by a Championship club at end of season, and that will be his level, if he does improve he could get a move to a Prem club in few years
What?

I was watching him when he played for Port Vale, one of good things, in a squad full of garbage. Scored some great goals.

And when during pre-seasons, under Ange at least, was one of teh better looking players that added something to the squad that we was missing.

So no, it's just about one speculative shot, he has been doing it for the last 2-3 seasons.
 
What?

I was watching him when he played for Port Vale, one of good things, in a squad full of garbage. Scored some great goals.

And when during pre-seasons, under Ange at least, was one of teh better looking players that added something to the squad that we was missing.

So no, it's just about one speculative shot, he has been doing it for the last 2-3 seasons.

You have just made the point excellently for me.
Bigging him up as the next coming, without merit, and not realising/total underestimating the massive gap between bottom of League One, Championship and upper echelons of Premier League football.

So he scored great goals at Port Vale according to you, whereas in the real world, he scored 2 league goals, one of which was a penalty. The team as a whole regressed in the second half of the season after he left (down from 16th when he left them to relegation) which could in part be down to him going, I don't know, but he didn't kick on at Plymouth in the second half of that season and made only 9 starts for a team which regressed after he joined them (again don't know if partly due to him)

Pre-season is all about fitness levels, nothing else at all, cannot judge anything by it, apart from he was likely fresh and most of our players were returning from international duty, and I certainly don't recall him as putting in any sort of memorable performance at all.

Nothing yet has shown he is at the levels of a Premier League player, and Spurs, who have people trained to do this sort of thing, and really haven't let anyone go for few decades that we would have regretted them going, obviously have decided that by giving Preston a buy option for his services for £5m apparently they don't believe he quite has it to step up to the final level.
 
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Doesn't that just go to prove that regardless of the hype, irrespective of how young they are when they make their debut, it only really counts for something if they make it as a first team regular?
 
Spurs, who have "people" trained to do this sort of thing, and really haven't let anyone go for few decades that we would have regretted them going, obviously have decided that by giving Preston a buy option for his services for £5m apparently they don't believe he quite has it to step up to the final level.
What about the Spurs people who wanted to sell Harry Kane to Leicester for £600,000?

:gallashmm:

 
Doesn't that just go to prove that regardless of the hype, irrespective of how young they are when they make their debut, it only really counts for something if they make it as a first team regular?

And the pitfalls are huge.

One bad injury, hanging out with the wrong crowd off the pitch, believing your own hype.

There’s a reason only a few out of every thousand make it to the top level of the game.

It’s not easy and definitely not pre written who will make it.
 
What about the Spurs people who wanted to sell Harry Kane to Leicester for £600,000?

:gallashmm:


Well Tim Sherwood - who funnily enough worked for Spurs - convinced the board not to sell him and Daniel “Big Man” Levy stood up to some Italian bloke who nobody remembers.

Daniel trusted Tim over Baldini.

Well done Mr Levy. A great judge of character.
 
Apparently his loan to Preston has an option clause to buy him for £4.5m?

If it’s that low then we fucked up

I get you have to put the player first and if the kid wanted to move to play then you let him take the best offer, but you have to persuade him that he’s worth more to the club than that….

I remember watching him in a youth tournament with Alex Scott and he was the better technician. Comfortably the best midfielder technically in his age group at the time.

Hes done well on loan as well
 
crazy to give the buy option as I doubt its for anything like Chelsea would sell any of their players.
Why we looking to sell when he has never been given a chance unlike what’s been afforded to other young player no need to mention names. We right off our academy without ever giving them a run of games. Yet we buy players for squillions not proven anything and will have people saying there is potential or player in there BS.
 
Levy sacked Sherwood at the end of that season.:frankfacepalm:

Yeah Tim is a dickhead!!
Name the teams he’s managed since!!

:bissoumahear:

But when push came to shove he backed his judgement of a young player.
Sign of a leader and a visionary. Made the right call. You can’t refute that as a fact.

And then sacked him to get in Poch. Great call.

Broad shoulders and a wide remit our Danny Boy.
 
At least it’s only an option we can say no rather than obligation
Erm no it's the exact opposite - we can't say no. God knows why this causes so much confusion on here, it's perfectly simple:

  • 'Obligation' means the club that the player joins has no choice later, they have to buy him at the previously agreed price when the times comes. So with an obligation, the 'new' club has no choice, no option.
  • 'Option' means the choice is with the club who the player joins, it's their option not ours. If they decide to take up that option, it's us who have no choice in the matter.
 
Apart from the ones he didn't start or anything.
So far

QPR 15 mins as a sub
Leicester 73
Ipswich 73
Portsmouth - not in squad
Middlesbrough 62
Derby 85 (apologies thought it said 65 originally)

And yes scored 2 so far, including one screamer, still doesn't mean his market value is greater than maybe the 3-5m transfermarkt put him at, or he has a future at Spurs, or Spurs fans are going overboard because of one hit.
He may have a chance longer term of making a non-relegation fighting PL squad, but not so far based on the back of what he produced at Westerlo or Preston so far.
Is gray any better?
 
Erm no it's the exact opposite - we can't say no. God knows why this causes so much confusion on here, it's perfectly simple:

  • 'Obligation' means the club that the player joins has no choice later, they have to buy him at the previously agreed price when the times comes. So with an obligation, the 'new' club has no choice, no option.
  • 'Option' means the choice is with the club who the player joins, it's their option not ours. If they decide to take up that option, it's us who have no choice in the matter.
Does the player have an option?
 
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