Savva was a big supporter of that shit about being two points from top , then two from 2nd and keep going down we are only two points from xyz. Now reality has sunk in for those with that mantra and also in LC and unbeaten in CL. All that will be fine by Wednesday v psg. They were clinging to league position like a dog with a bone ignoring the utter shite we were playing and getting lucky in a number of games where we should have been trounced.
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Diff players for pre ious managers. Conte got us 4 th with some of this lot. Most won EL last season so must have some winning mentality.
I said glassner, irola or de zirbi all have more top level experience and get their teams organised and play decent football.
I think it's cos on paper he ticks a ton of boxes:
- PL proven
- Punched above his weight at Brentford on a low budget
- Likeable, good communicator (strong English)
- Good at coaching and improving players
- Used to working in our type of structure
- Flexible and pragmatic (opposite of Ange)
From a logical perspective it did make a lot of sense. Most non-Spurs supporting mates of mine thought it was a really solid appointment, as did most pundits. With hindsight they'll all slag us off if it goes to shit, but at the time it was widely seen as a fine, if unexciting, appointment.
However all of the above "on paper" stuff massive hinges on ONE key point - the most important box to tick of them all - and that's "is he capable of changing his style and adapting to the expectations of a big club?". If he can't do that then nothing else matters as he's ultimately gonna lose the fans and players regardless.
Frank's almost the opposite of Vincent Kompany. Failed at Burnley in the PL cos his style didn't work with inferior players, but at a top club he can actually fulfil his stated ambition and his model upscales really well; he has that captain/top level/championship winning mentality. If Frank was in his position he might've kept Burnley in the division where Kompany failed, but it looks like his model really isn't scaling up half as well to a big club.
I think Frank was a reasonable punt but starting to look like a worse one week by week as he's not adapting quickly or effectively enough, and it could well cost him his job.
- PL proven
- Punched above his weight at Brentford on a low budget
- Likeable, good communicator (strong English)
- Good at coaching and improving players
- Used to working in our type of structure
- Flexible and pragmatic (opposite of Ange)
From a logical perspective it did make a lot of sense. Most non-Spurs supporting mates of mine thought it was a really solid appointment, as did most pundits. With hindsight they'll all slag us off if it goes to shit, but at the time it was widely seen as a fine, if unexciting, appointment.
However all of the above "on paper" stuff massive hinges on ONE key point - the most important box to tick of them all - and that's "is he capable of changing his style and adapting to the expectations of a big club?". If he can't do that then nothing else matters as he's ultimately gonna lose the fans and players regardless.
Frank's almost the opposite of Vincent Kompany. Failed at Burnley in the PL cos his style didn't work with inferior players, but at a top club he can actually fulfil his stated ambition and his model upscales really well; he has that captain/top level/championship winning mentality. If Frank was in his position he might've kept Burnley in the division where Kompany failed, but it looks like his model really isn't scaling up half as well to a big club.
I think Frank was a reasonable punt but starting to look like a worse one week by week as he's not adapting quickly or effectively enough, and it could well cost him his job.
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Frank was my choice, but reluctantly I have to agree with you.
Let's hope he proves us wrong, and soon!!
iraola befoe frank yes good point. i would have preferred him.But glasner was never leaving palace. And throwing out those names now when clearly they wont leave their clubs mid season.I'm not Frank Out but pretty sure you'll find plenty likebk_spur who have advocated for Iraola and/or Glasner before and since Frank's appointment.
In the interests of accuracy and all that...
plus glasner was under fire at palace first few months for results and style.
Im on the fence with frank now but dont think going managerless is the answer
Iraola’s Bournemouth defence conceded 9 less goals over the past 2 seasons compared to Frank’s Brentford
Word salad, but you can’t name a counter-example to the names I mentioned.
Did Harry and Poch play crap footy?
How much is this lot missing affecting the team.
All comps:
Solanke 16 goals 8 assists = 24 total**
Son 11 goals 11 assists = 22 total
Maddison 12 goals 10 assist= 22 total
Kulusevski 10 goals 11 assists = 21 total
We have bought players in but the current frontline has basically never played together and with the new coaching set up apperently working on defence and set pieces.
Frank playing with the handbrake on really isnt helping but is the loss of these players a bigger problem than we realise.
** Solanke with the highest combined G/A last season, ridiculous how he gets lumbed in the waste of money bag.
All comps:
Solanke 16 goals 8 assists = 24 total**
Son 11 goals 11 assists = 22 total
Maddison 12 goals 10 assist= 22 total
Kulusevski 10 goals 11 assists = 21 total
We have bought players in but the current frontline has basically never played together and with the new coaching set up apperently working on defence and set pieces.
Frank playing with the handbrake on really isnt helping but is the loss of these players a bigger problem than we realise.
** Solanke with the highest combined G/A last season, ridiculous how he gets lumbed in the waste of money bag.
To add to this:
In each case a club or two takes the risk on the behalf of rest of the footballing world to see whether or not the manager in question has indeed hit his ceiling. Chelsea did the others a big favour by, in hindsight, jumping the gun on Potter for example. Could've been us. And he has been demoted accordingly since then.
You could hire the Mainz manager and watch him become Jurgen Klopp. You could also hire a Nuno or Moyes and watch him go back to his comfort zone in less than a year. It's not a completely random process, but it certainly involves an element of randomness. Frank is getting closer to the latter end of this spectrum day by day, but it was hardly a non-starter of an appointment.
The winning mentality is a bit of a red herring. Its the squad composition has killed us and that is still on Levy and Lange. Because Paratici wasn't supposedly driving our recruitment as he was banned.
What's happened is a constantly repeated problem. Ange Postecoglou wants Brennan Johnson, and Wilson Odobert, Thomas Frank has absolutely no use for either of them. If your employed to make a banquet but you kept changing the guests all with different allergies and tastes dont expect it to work.
Levy appointed Frank with utter disregard of matching the disparate peices of a squad built for Postecoglou, Paratici did the same to Nuno. It's core incompetence and its come from the leadership. This needs to stop. The handbrake turns from progressive coach to passive is fucking dumb. Spurs should be easy because we have a blue print established from the 50's. Pass and move play through the thirds buy and train players for this model. ONLY appoint coaches who play this way.
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Must admit losing 4 nil to bayern in pre-season was a slight worry for me. Only a friendly and not blood and guts but that performance was a concern.
Exactly right.
There are very very few managers for whom the tag 'Great' should and can rightly be applied to.
In the main, signing a manager to bring success, as opposed to anything less is often a matter of getting lucky in my opinion.
Many regard Pochettino in this lofty workd but arguably he fell short, given the resources ge had at his disposal. His failure to win anything with us,not even a Cup competition, set against history was really poor.
Frank, Iraola or Silva were the obvious choices for us, if we were going for a PL manager.
It's up to Frank to show it was the right choice, and he would not be getting pelters if we had only been beaten by that lot and filth. At least the criticism would not be considered reasonable.
The issue as I see it, and where it's harder to defend are the losses and general performances against the lesser lights. Needs to be better.
Assessment must be balanced and terminology should be more accurate in relation to words of hyperbole.
When Frank was appointed someone on wearetottenhamtv put a photo of an old mick jagger on social media saying that's what Frank will look like after a few months at Tottenham.
I'd say, unfortunately, you've most likely nailed it.
And the Kompany one is a great example.