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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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McCOYS said:
That good end to the season the club had with Conte, when we beat the goons, went on a good run of performances, took 4th place in the league, the players celebrating the last game of the season in television footage in the changing room, I really thought this is it, next season we'll be actually challenging for the Premier League title like we had under Pochettino, but with the added bonus of Conte getting teams to actually win.

So now I'm hoping Frank, whose won fuck all, apart from getting a team promoted from a lower league, is here, no Kane, no Son, some games struggling to have one shot on target, awful home record , I'm again thinking next season will be the one, this is the man, this is the version of our team that's going to do it?
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My feeling towards Frank at the moment is the same as I had towards Poch at the beginning of his reign. Therefore I'm still hoping he'll turn it around, how long that will take, if ever, that's the million dollar question. Unfortunately the evidence points to him not being up to it :(
I have to add I haven’t the foggiest idea on who could do a good job for us, player or coach, then again, that's not my (very well-paid) job. I'm just a downtrodden supporter who has to put up with bad purchases and inadequate personnel at all levels of the club (board, coaching, medical - the list goes on!).
 
latman said:
I'd say, unfortunately, you've most likely nailed it.

And the Kompany one is a great example.
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It seems we got Frank on the assumption he could change his style.
It's the equivalent of getting a keeper and hoping he can play cb.
If you want a manager to play good expensive football - it might be a good idea to get one who has done it and been successfully at it.

He is square peg in a round hole.
We are expecting him to suddenly to learn on the job.
 
Timberwolf said:
I think it's cos on paper he ticks a ton of boxes:

- PL proven
- Punched above his weight at Brentford on a low budget
- Likeable, good communicator (strong English)
- Good at coaching and improving players
- Used to working in our type of structure
- Flexible and pragmatic (opposite of Ange)

From a logical perspective it did make a lot of sense. Most non-Spurs supporting mates of mine thought it was a really solid appointment, as did most pundits. With hindsight they'll all slag us off if it goes to shit, but at the time it was widely seen as a fine, if unexciting, appointment.

However all of the above "on paper" stuff massive hinges on ONE key point - the most important box to tick of them all - and that's "is he capable of changing his style and adapting to the expectations of a big club?". If he can't do that then nothing else matters as he's ultimately gonna lose the fans and players regardless.

Frank's almost the opposite of Vincent Kompany. Failed at Burnley in the PL cos his style didn't work with inferior players, but at a top club he can actually fulfil his stated ambition and his model upscales really well; he has that captain/top level/championship winning mentality. If Frank was in his position he might've kept Burnley in the division where Kompany failed, but it looks like his model really isn't scaling up half as well to a big club.

I think Frank was a reasonable punt but starting to look like a worse one week by week as he's not adapting quickly or effectively enough, and it could well cost him his job.
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Yeah and this was the only big concern too about the appointment. Like you said, he ticked every other box. The only worry was that it could develop into another Nuno where we can't dominate the ball at home against anyone or play like a top team. And just like Nuno, Frank has not adapted to coaching a better team.

The question now is do we admit we made a mistake and sack him if we lost to fulham this saturday? Like what happened Nuno who was gone by now! Or do we give Frank the full season to see if he can warm into the job. I guess the risk here is that he doesn't lose the dressing room!

I'm torn really. I'm neither Frank in or Frank out atm. My head says to give him the full season but my emotions during and after each game want change.
 
False 9 said:
Unfortunately, Sunday's result isn’t just on Frank despite people making out we were some super team under Ange. We were equally as shite. This is years of Levy neglect and stockpiling on shit average players like Odobert etc. His legacy is leaving this club in the gutter.
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Definitely weren’t a super team under Ange.

However, last season, whilst I knew we’d concede goals, there was a (often misplaced) hope that we’d score and play decent football.

This season, I still know we’ll concede, but I have a lot less hope of us scoring and we certainly aren’t going to play attractively.
 
Frank is a nice man and a very good football manager, I do not want him out (yet), that'd be a terrible move to yet again sack a manager after bare weeks in the most difficult job in the PL. Has he made mistakes? Sure. Generally speaking, I think he's going the wrong way about the Tottenham gig, but fuck me...the guy has both his hands tied behind his back, got his legged chopped off, gagged and blindfolded, the whole shebang.

Said it before and I'll say it again, even God himself would struggle at Spurs. That job is the definition of the poisoned chalice. You get fuck all help from the board and football directors, who are all clueless wankers...one of whom is an ex-Gooner and another a convicted fellon...let that sink in. And you have a squad with very little style but mainly zero substance...full of moronic, selfish, obnoxious, egocentric, petulant, lazy bastards. Those gits have the most player power out of all the squads in the PL, despite being the least worthy of it...again, let that sink in.

Luis Enrique is probably the only manager out there who could come in and clean house the way he did at PSG...told the board and players I'm the big dog now and you guys gonna obey or fuck right off. Result? That club was going nowhere, wasting billions of euros on drama queens like Neymar, Messi, Verratti...getting dicked in the CL soon as the going got tough. Enrique came in, imposed himself from top to bottom, got players in who'd die on the pitch for their jeffe and the badge. Boom, they batter everyone- including fucking Woolwich & Liverpool - on their way to CL glory.

But we ain't never getting Luis Enrique or similar in at Spurs. Not with ENIC. Even without Levy in the building, they still want yes men who ain't gonna try & revolutionize their model. They'll still go 60% of the way when proper big ambitious clubs go ABCD. They didn't push the boat out when Poch got us on the brink of glory, why would they now? They talk the talk, but that's all there is to it.

I want Frank to succeed here, I genuinely do. Same as I wanted Ange (despite my hatred of the man behind the coach) and the many other managers I've known in my lifetime to. Cause if they do well, that means Spurs are winning matches (and trophies). But it's so obvious how this gonna end...Frank will be yet another victim of the worst owners & board and of the weakest, cuntiest group of players.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Definitely weren’t a super team under Ange.

However, last season, whilst I knew we’d concede goals, there was a (often misplaced) hope that we’d score and play decent football.

This season, I still know we’ll concede, but I have a lot less hope of us scoring and we certainly aren’t going to play attractively.
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We had some big results and performances under Ange. Winning 3-0 at old trafford and winning 4-0 at the Etihad last season. We won 4-0 at Villa park the year earlier. There was always a feeling that if we scored early under Ange we could rip a team apart, especially when we had a full squad available (never lasted more than a few games).

I appreciate that Frank's style is far more sustainable and players are far less likely to get injured (alot less running and chasing back) but its boring to watch and has made us look so predictable. We are much harder to break down now but we offer nothing on the ball.

Its just hilarious how we've gone from the most unpredictable but exciting team in the league to the most predictable and boring team in the league in a few months. Its crazy. I hope Frank can find a balance and make us better on the ball but we've seen no improvement in 3 months now and all metrics and stats indicate that its getting worse.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Definitely weren’t a super team under Ange.

However, last season, whilst I knew we’d concede goals, there was a (often misplaced) hope that we’d score and play decent football.

This season, I still know we’ll concede, but I have a lot less hope of us scoring and we certainly aren’t going to play attractively.
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We were losing to Ipswich at home under Ange with everyone fit but Romero. The back of last season was the most toxic I’ve ever seen before that final. Don’t understand why Ange deserved so much time and not Frank. Anges first 10 games deluded a lot of fans.
 
harry7 said:
Spurs not only hired Frank, but they also hired almost the entire Brentford staff. A group that finished 17th and 10th, never played in Europe and never had a decent cup run.

Of course, every coach has to start somewhere, but Frank had done nothing of merit for Spurs to expect him to coach a winning team.

At Brentford, the tactic was to sit back, surrender the ball and lump it long and chase at any given chance. What was the club's expectation when hiring him? Did he promise attacking football?

Meanwhile, they sacked the guy that finished 5th with an injury ravaged squad and won the clubs first major trophy in 40 years.

Comedy of errors.
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How can there be such a longing for Ange?

His football style was the main reason for the injuries.

He might have delivered a trophy, but he finished 17th in the league and you must have completely missed what happened at Forest!

Pining for Ange is idiotic.
 
I thought Brentford would crash and burn after Frank, Wissa and Mbeumo left but they are doing ok. I just looked at the xg table and they are 4th there with us way down. It made me wonder if their success story was more down to recruitment than TF.

Iraola always seemed like the obvious pick to me but apparently Frank ticked every box. Surely one of the criteria was attacking aggressive footy but we are seeing anything but that. I'm not Frank out yet but am definitely very concerned. I tend to be one of the last to want a manager sacked but after a solid start we don't seem to be progressing at all.
 
Frank has got to work with a squad that lost TWENTY TWO league games last season, finishing SEVENTEENTH.

Frank's leadership group is Vicario, who is flawed as a keeper and a cunt. Romero, who doesn't care about Spurs, is a cunt and the worst World Class CB I've seen in years. Micky, who is your typical look-at-me Dutch player and way off being an elite level defender. Madders...really, need I explain?! Solanke...nice enough bloke, but come on, let's be serious. Porro? As dumb & thick as it gets. Bentancur, who is a broken body and a racist who abused a true club legend...but got a juicy new deal.

Yeah, Frank should do soooooooooo much better. Talk about seeing the tree but not the forest.
 
False 9 said:
We were losing to Ipswich at home under Ange with everyone fit but Romero. The back of last season was the most toxic I’ve ever seen before that final. Don’t understand why Ange deserved so much time and not Frank. Anges first 10 games deluded a lot of fans.
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I thought at the time that the first ten games were a bit lucky, but yes, I can see how they persuaded many that things were going to be fine. Saying that, it was pretty close to the end of last season before I accepted that Ange wasn’t going to work. I held the hop longer than I should have.

Harrier said:
How can there be such a longing for Ange?

His football style was the main reason for the injuries.

He might have delivered a trophy, but he finished 17th in the league and you must have completely missed what happened at Forest!

Pining for Ange is idiotic.
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Who is pining for Ange?

But on the Forest front, if a few games was enough to persuade everyone he wasn’t the right guy, why are we giving Frank a load more games? And I’m not taking the latter part of Ange’s record with us being added to his slow start at Forest. New job, new squad, so his time with us shouldn’t be taken into account. Nor should Frank’s time with Brentford. It’s either working or it isn’t.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
The winning mentality is a bit of a red herring. Its the squad composition has killed us and that is still on Levy and Lange. Because Paratici wasn't supposedly driving our recruitment as he was banned.

What's happened is a constantly repeated problem. Ange Postecoglou wants Brennan Johnson, and Wilson Odobert, Thomas Frank has absolutely no use for either of them. If your employed to make a banquet but you kept changing the guests all with different allergies and tastes dont expect it to work.

Levy appointed Frank with utter disregard of matching the disparate peices of a squad built for Postecoglou, Paratici did the same to Nuno. It's core incompetence and its come from the leadership. This needs to stop. The handbrake turns from progressive coach to passive is fucking dumb. Spurs should be easy because we have a blue print established from the 50's. Pass and move play through the thirds buy and train players for this model. ONLY appoint coaches who play this way.
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See also: Brighton

Players or coaches leaving has little actual impact on them. Save the many millions in profit they turn on transfer fees.
 
_mehstg said:
Its over

Its just a matter of when now, not if.
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My initial reply was going to be...If I was a betting man I'd say he has got until the end of the season?
But with our home form in serious question and after looking at all the games taking us up to the end of the year,
I can't see where any of our points are going to come from in The PL!

PSG (A)
Fulham (H)
Newcastle (A)
Brentford (H)
Forest (A)
Liverpool (H)
Palace (A)

18 PL points on offer. I can't see/predict a nailed on 3 pointer in any of these fixtures.
 
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