Forget xg it’s a load of bloody nonsense.
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Richy off not Muani and Palhinha on for Bentancur not Gray.Hray was playing better than Bentancur . Both Bergvall and Gray should start against Fulham.
It’s about goals not this xg rubbish.
yep. But what I've noticed is that when we get a 'worldy' player it seems to give the other competent players a boost in. ? confidence? and they up their game sometimes significantly
Just because you don't understand something, it doesn't mean that it's nonsense. For anyone with a brain, the relationship between xG and actual results over time is very obviously clear, and can be shown by xG league tables etc, which are not perfect by any means, but are a reasonable proxy for actual results. Of course due to its nature it can be misleading for individual games, but having watched the game last night, I don't think it's misleading here at all - on the balance of play, we did well, and a draw would probably have best reflected that balance of play. Crazy worldies and stuped defensive brain farts fucked what would otherwise have been an excellent result to match an otherwise excellent performance.
One tactical tweak that I see as needed after tonight is to push the midfield up a bit in defending. The mistakes and gifted goals last night came from the midfield falling into the backline to form a defensive wall, which left Vitinha and the other PSG midfielders with too much space to operate in.
A opposite problem to what we had under Ange with too much space between the midfield and defence. But one that should be reasonably easy to fix.
Frank's Brentford had a similar issue according to tacticos.
...until they start awarding additional bonus points for a higher xG, then it will continue to prove frustrating WHENEVER you don't win.
We had a higher xG than PSG and lost, and virtually NO xG against the Arse and LOST...!
GO FIGURE!
What a fukkin strange game, I didn't go into this match thinking we would win as our history with PSG is known to all.
I'm not furious, I didn't want to pull my hair out or want to kill myself after watching it.
We had defensive mistakes that wanted me to sigh more than scream. Romero's handball, personally I don't hate him for it as it's an honest mistakes & it's not like he was trying to play volley ball just an honest mistake. I keep having to remind my friends that UCL refs don't give a fukk & they won't take any shit so it would always be given as a pen.
Bergvall setting up our goal was class! Id even go to say Archie Gray had a lovely display of great football also we kept great formations on & off the ball. You could see that defensively we kept to a great triangle formation giving PSG a good aggressive press but we all know that PSG win games from the midfield. as always we seem to be losing possession soo easily with sloppy passing which did get better at times but our BOZO moments with a team like PSG or any team of quality will always be capitalised on with goal threats against us.
The bottom dollah in this game is that PSG just have better players with better coach that are well drilled. You could just see how their patterns of play are just superior, their weight of pass was superior & their attack just outshine ours.
Here's my major issue & it's on Thomas Frank - just look at how PSG & other teams implement substitutions compared to Spurs ATM, this was a massive gripe I had with Ange why does Frank ALWAYS wait soo long to bring on Subs??? If we are aggressively pressing constantly then that should be met with some fresh legs sooner or am I just being a twat here???
Here comes the rub which has just annoyed me is that why are we soo inconsistent? I loved we turned up or his game & it WAS entertaining but why can't we keep that same energy??? I don't know the answers I'm just a Spurs fan I guess...
I'm not furious, I didn't want to pull my hair out or want to kill myself after watching it.
We had defensive mistakes that wanted me to sigh more than scream. Romero's handball, personally I don't hate him for it as it's an honest mistakes & it's not like he was trying to play volley ball just an honest mistake. I keep having to remind my friends that UCL refs don't give a fukk & they won't take any shit so it would always be given as a pen.
Bergvall setting up our goal was class! Id even go to say Archie Gray had a lovely display of great football also we kept great formations on & off the ball. You could see that defensively we kept to a great triangle formation giving PSG a good aggressive press but we all know that PSG win games from the midfield. as always we seem to be losing possession soo easily with sloppy passing which did get better at times but our BOZO moments with a team like PSG or any team of quality will always be capitalised on with goal threats against us.
The bottom dollah in this game is that PSG just have better players with better coach that are well drilled. You could just see how their patterns of play are just superior, their weight of pass was superior & their attack just outshine ours.
Here's my major issue & it's on Thomas Frank - just look at how PSG & other teams implement substitutions compared to Spurs ATM, this was a massive gripe I had with Ange why does Frank ALWAYS wait soo long to bring on Subs??? If we are aggressively pressing constantly then that should be met with some fresh legs sooner or am I just being a twat here???
Here comes the rub which has just annoyed me is that why are we soo inconsistent? I loved we turned up or his game & it WAS entertaining but why can't we keep that same energy??? I don't know the answers I'm just a Spurs fan I guess...
I wouldn't put too much on Romero, but if you were to look at value of the squad, and say "how can we re-shuffle this to have a better team", then I think there's a good chance you would take the cash for him next summer, invest that in MF/LW/CF, and promote Danso and Vuskovic. Romero playing well is a great defender, but he makes more than his fair share of costly mistakes.
Also Palhinha and Bentancur as a two doesn’t work and if ever used should be a 3 with Bergvall or Gray to offer a better ball player. It hurt us against Woolwich,, Bergvall is elite in one key area, he is Dembele-lite on the ball, bit reckless at times but he can really put his foot on it which is key.
It's clearly not nonsense when your own post shows we scored more goals with a higher xg than our last game.
We had 3 shots against arse, with a 0.07 xg and the only goal we scored was a freak goal.
We had had 11 last night and scored 3 great team goals.
More shots. More Xg. More goals.
We limited PSG last night to long range shots.
And let them all in.
Most matches none go in. Last night, 3 went in.
My thoughts exactly, I don't think any team likes it when the opposition go at them. As long as there is the proper structure to cope with a turnover situation, playing with intensity will always result in a good few opportunities. we are so immobile at times it really annoys me. I'd go as far as to say if we had approached the NLD with that attitude and team starting, we could easily have got a draw from the game. It's time we used Gray more as well, I really think the kid has something special about him.
Well apart from Woolwich there is a big drop off & it is quite open for top 4. So if we do get our act together & be consistent then top 4 is there for the taking. But I could just as easily see us finishing 10th. But obviously frank needs the full season and then see where we are at.
We 100% need 3/4 starting 11 signings though. Until then it’s ‘top 4’ being our everything.
He's not cowardly which helps.
Its time we just invested in our young midfield players really.
We're not going to get anything more out of the older ones
We had fuck all xG against Scum and we scored fuck all goals.
We had a lot of xG against PSG and we scored a lot of goals.
That work for you old man?
I suppose there will be a time and place for both approaches, but nothing beats learning on the job, and if you have an experienced pro beside you at the start it's a great help. Bents and JP are not the way forward.
To be fair to you
you are as thick as fuck, so the fact that your memory is bollocks isn't much of a surprise.
and you need someone to write numbers to know that do you?
We had fuck all xG against Scum and we scored fuck all goals.
We had a lot of xG against PSG and we scored a lot of goals.
That work for you old man?
its bollocks made up for betting purposes
Until xg is counted to turn a game into a victory, I find it irrelevant and a tad boring.
I get that people enjoy the statistical side of the game, but personally I think it's just a load of nonsense, made up to give pundits a job.