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Player Rodrigo Bentancur

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It is absolutely gross blasphemy to even mention Bentancur in comparison to Dembele. Like seriously? Lightyears apart in every possible way. One being elegant, unique and physicality monster. Other being bang average midfielder who can turn with the ball once in 5 games. He has always been 10x closer to Harry Winks than Moussa Dembele.
Anyone can compare any two things - I can say my grandmother is not as good at football as Messi, that's a perfectly legitimate comparison. I didn't at any point say he was anywhere near what Dembele was - I said "I really thought he could be the best MF we've had since Dembele" - that's not saying he's even 1% of what Dembele was, it's simply a timeframe, i.e. AFTER Dembele - learn to read / understand what words mean. ;)
 
Utter nonsense - there were plenty of games before the injury where he looked excellent, and he didnt have elite players around him during those games. Honestly, sometimes I think some of you are incapable of ever seeing anything good that any of our players ever do. Yes he's been shit recently, and for a long time now, but that doesn't detract from his many excellent performances a few years ago. Should we look elsewhere now? Surely yes, it seems he'll never be the player he was - but for anyone who can't see what he brought in many games before the injuries, I don't know what to tell you, if you couldn't see it, then that's on your limitations, not his.

No it is not.
I remember very well that when they played together with PEH, our midfield was very-very average and plonderous while moving the ball forward. 90% of the time both of them preferred to play the ball back towards where they received it, criminally afraid to turn with the ball.

Yes, his highlight reel is nice. And includes even some moments when he did turn with the ball. But what you expect from a midfielder is to be able to keep the tempo of the game ticking 90 minutes after 90 minutes after 90 minutes. And that is something he has never consistently delivered.
 
Anyone can compare any two things - I can say my grandmother is not as good at football as Messi, that's a perfectly legitimate comparison. I didn't at any point say he was anywhere near what Dembele was - I said "I really thought he could be the best MF we've had since Dembele" - that's not saying he's even 1% of what Dembele was, it's simply a timeframe, i.e. AFTER Dembele - learn to read / understand what words mean. ;)

Oh, okay.
That is actually fair enough then, mate :thumbup: , on that note I did overreact!
 
...what you expect from a midfielder is to be able to keep the tempo of the game ticking 90 minutes after 90 minutes after 90 minutes. And that is something he has never consistently delivered.
No, I don't expect that at all, no one should be so arrogant as to expect that. That's what you expect from an elite midfielder - there are very few who can do that consistently. I believe Bentancur did that to varying degrees in his best season or so. I agree he never consistently delivered it - precious few do - but him doing it from time to time made me think he might one day be able to do it consistently. (He was fairly new to us and the EPL at that point remember). Due to the injuries, I expect we'll never know. But for me, there were certainly games, many games in fact, where he did exactly that - controlled the direction, controlled the tempo, etc - thereby showing that he could do it - I hoped in time he'd do it consistently but he never got the chance because that thug cunt broke him. :(
 
To be fair, you hate most of our players. For me, a more balanced fan, there were times before his injury when I really thought he could be the best MF we've had since Dembele. But the injury ruined that. 😥 (But I don't expect you to see that, you're not capable of looking at our players objectively, we all know that).

Oh fuck off rain man.

Our players are mostly rubbish. I have been proven nothing but right about where I rate them. We are a very mid table outfit and have been for an extended period of time.

I look at them very objectively. I.e not through tinted glasses. Bentancur pre injury was very flawed for Juve. Him and Kulu had a great 6 months period during a time Conte had us punching.

He then reverted to the form he’d shown in his career prior to Spurs. Maybe injuries ruined him or maybe that small patch of form wasn’t the norm, same with the mate he arrived with.
 
I look at them very objectively.
😂 😂 😂

Keep them coming, when's your Christmas show?

Though your ramblings above aren't actually necessarily incongruent with my thoughts posted prior - Bentancur had some excellent games for us ("great 6 months" in your words), which showed he was capable of doing so, it's just a shame that wasn't more consistent at the time, or subsequently (presumably due to injury).

Btw why "rain man"? Genuine question - I don't watch films so I don't get the reference, and Googling it doesn't help. Apologies if I'm missing something obvious. :/
 
Oh fuck off rain man.

Our players are mostly rubbish. I have been proven nothing but right about where I rate them. We are a very mid table outfit and have been for an extended period of time.

I look at them very objectively. I.e not through tinted glasses. Bentancur pre injury was very flawed for Juve. Him and Kulu had a great 6 months period during a time Conte had us punching.

He then reverted to the form he’d shown in his career prior to Spurs. Maybe injuries ruined him or maybe that small patch of form wasn’t the norm, same with the mate he arrived with.

It wasn't even a small patch of form, it was a combination of him not being Sissoko (it had been four years of watching someone with the technical ability of a tree) and the team hitting a purple patch playing Conte's very rigid, automated form of bus park and break football for a few months.

He's always been what he is.

Mar 2022:

He's fucking ordinary personified. Defensively meh, very little press resistance, really ordinary passing.

Meh. Fucking meh.
 
What I find baffling is why Frank hasn't tried a 433, which he was prone to use at Brentford. Instead of two shit 6's as your DP midfield, one 6 (Palhinha/Gray) with two 8's (2 of Simons, Bergval, Sarr). It might actually give us a structure for actually transitioning in possession.
 
Oh fuck off rain man.

Our players are mostly rubbish. I have been proven nothing but right about where I rate them. We are a very mid table outfit and have been for an extended period of time.

I look at them very objectively. I.e not through tinted glasses. Bentancur pre injury was very flawed for Juve. Him and Kulu had a great 6 months period during a time Conte had us punching.

He then reverted to the form he’d shown in his career prior to Spurs. Maybe injuries ruined him or maybe that small patch of form wasn’t the norm, same with the mate he arrived with.
I always said he is good against weak teams but weak sauce against top teams. He belongs to a mid table team or maybe leagues like Eredevisie or Portugal.
 
What I find baffling is why Frank hasn't tried a 433, which he was prone to use at Brentford. Instead of two shit 6's as your DP midfield, one 6 (Palhinha/Gray) with two 8's (2 of Simons, Bergval, Sarr). It might actually give us a structure for actually transitioning in possession.
Agree totally- I think he tried it our first game of the season with Berg and Gray flanking Palh- and it worked well. Then it seemingly disappeared and has yet to reappear.
 
Yeah this is the dumbest thing I've read on the internet all week. And I've been reading comments from MAGA lovers on 'x' a lot so it says something.

Delete your post and try again.
The ACL against Bournemouth has probably done more to fuck the guy over as well as that nasty Cash tackle. He was a silky mother fucker before that.
 
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It wasn't even a small patch of form, it was a combination of him not being Sissoko (it had been four years of watching someone with the technical ability of a tree) and the team hitting a purple patch playing Conte's very rigid, automated form of bus park and break football for a few months.

He's always been what he is.

Mar 2022:
I don't it's a coincidence his best football was when he was playing for a manager that pretty much scripts every action. I think it's why loads of otherwise ordinary players look great under Conte and rubbish/average everywhere else - he gives them a clear job and takes any of the thinking out of it.

I do think he was genuinely very decent under Conte, though. One of our most important players before he got crocked.
 
I don't it's a coincidence his best football was when he was playing for a manager that pretty much scripts every action. I think it's why loads of otherwise ordinary players look great under Conte and rubbish/average everywhere else - he gives them a clear job and takes any of the thinking out of it.

I do think he was genuinely very decent under Conte, though. One of our most important players before he got crocked.
I never bought into the hype. He was a standout because our midfield was so utterly dismal, a breath of fresh air with his flicks and so on. Would beat two, carry the ball 30yards, then fuck up a simple square pass and lose possession.
 
What I find baffling is why Frank hasn't tried a 433, which he was prone to use at Brentford. Instead of two shit 6's as your DP midfield, one 6 (Palhinha/Gray) with two 8's (2 of Simons, Bergval, Sarr). It might actually give us a structure for actually transitioning in possession.
There's a strange wave of madness that comes over any manager that steps into Hotspur Way, renders them all incapable of making sensible and rational decisions, and causes them to defy all common logic.

Some can resist for a while, but the malaise always wins out eventually.
 
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