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Management Relegation

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Do you think we'll stay up?

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Forest might have saved us by doing similar though - if they’d stuck with Dyche then I think we would have gone. My end of season guess is:

West Ham
Spurs
Forest
Burnley
Wolves

We stay up by 2 or 3 points. West Ham finish a point ahead of us.

Not sure about all that but I would not swap our remaining fixtures with Forest. Not a chance.

Nothing can be predicted with certainty but if they lose against Liverpool on the weekend, their game with Brighton might be absolutely pivotal. Same for Brighton.

I don't see a team going down with 38 points. 39,maximum.
 
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Not sure about all that but I would not swap our remaining fixtures with Forest. Not a chance.

Nothing can be predicted with certainty but if they lose against Liverpool on the weekend, their game with Brighton might be absolutely pivotal. Same for Brighton.

I don't see a team going down with 38 points. 39,maximum.
They have 5 huge home games - Fulham, Burnley, Villa, Newcastle and Bournemouth. They also have an away against us where their manager nearly had Wolves beating us earlier in the season.

They need 13 points from that to get to 40
 
It's a weird one. Guess it's some combination of:

- lopsided squad building: too many kids, lacking key profiles, not enough proven attacking quality
- bad manager fit: Ange too idealistic, job too big for Frank
- injuries: absolutely insane. take 11-12 players out of most squads and they'd look like a joke

The first 2 are a result of bad leadership higher-up: Lange being incompetent and the club not getting the manager picks right.

So...yeah the whole club is a mess. Brentford and Sunderland at the very least have managers who can get full buy-in from the players, squads that aren't reliant on raw 19 year olds in key positions, and have CMs that can pass the ball forward.
Brentford and Sunderland specifically look for players who have the right mentality and will buy in to the manager. We look for players with resale value on cheap wages.
We have only had a mad injury crisis from December onwards, before it was moderate

I'm fully looking at our ex coach for the position we are in this season, he didn't even get anywhere near the best out of our players.
Solanke only returned in January, and Maddison and Kulu haven't kicked a ball all season and won't. That's our best three attackers. Any club would struggle if they lost their starting striker and two best creative players.
 
They have 5 huge home games - Fulham, Burnley, Villa, Newcastle and Bournemouth. They also have an away against us where their manager nearly had Wolves beating us earlier in the season.

They need 13 points from that to get to 40

I just think they are hoping even more than us that West Ham fail to get points against Bournemouth on the weekend.

If the fixtures were reversed I would be very concerned.
 
A bit wild that many people seem confident West Ham are safe.

They are 3 points behind with the worst GD. Effectively 4 points back of safety, though it's possible they could catch Forest on GD.

Still have to play Woolwich, City, Villa, and Pool.

If Forest string together a few wins, they are effectively 6 points behind the next team (us).

Their improved form consists of only 5 matches. Before that, they lost at home to Forest and 3-0 to Wolves. Form comes and goes.
 
Tonight: Wolves v Goons
Sat: Villa v Leeds, Brentford v Brighton, WHU v B'mouth
Su: Palace v Wolves, Forest v Liverpool, Spurs v Goons
My guess is no/not much change in the table.
Sat 28th: Liverpool v WHU, Leeds v City
Sun Mar 1: Brighton v Forest, Fulham v Spurs
Tue Mar 2: Leeds v Sunderland
A draw should put us above Leeds.
My guess is we win.
6 to 8 points more than WHU, 3 to 6 points clear of Forest with 10 games to go.
 
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Brentford and Sunderland specifically look for players who have the right mentality and will buy in to the manager. We look for players with resale value on cheap wages.

Solanke only returned in January, and Maddison and Kulu haven't kicked a ball all season and won't. That's our best three attackers. Any club would struggle if they lost their starting striker and two best creative players.

Depends ln how big the downgrade is.

Replacing Solanke, Kulu and Maddison with Richarlison, Xavi and Kudus isn't a massive downgrade so we shouldn't have been struggling to the level we are at now.

To have one 90 min complete performance in 25 matches in the Prem is not acceptable.
 
Depends ln how big the downgrade is.

Replacing Solanke, Kulu and Maddison with Richarlison, Xavi and Kudus isn't a massive downgrade so we shouldn't have been struggling to the level we are at now.

To have one 90 min complete performance in 25 matches in the Prem is not acceptable.
Kudus/Deki and Maddison/Xavi are a wash, but I'd say there's a significant downgrade from Solanke to Richarlison.

The bigger issue is the injuries mean the rotation options get much weaker. We go from being able to rotate in those guys to Bergvall, Odobert, or Tel. City going from Doku to Bobb earlier this season is a pretty big drop off.
 
Kudus/Deki and Maddison/Xavi are a wash, but I'd say there's a significant downgrade from Solanke to Richarlison.

The bigger issue is the injuries mean the rotation options get much weaker. We go from being able to rotate in those guys to Bergvall, Odobert, or Tel. City going from Doku to Bobb earlier this season is a pretty big drop off.

Bottom line is we should never be as low as we are right now, not just in the table but in terms of performance or underlying numbers.

People will argue about how good/bad our players are but the vast majority of them haven't improved and have either stagnated and gone backwards, this is why I brought up the Brentford and Sunderland examples...the base level of their squads isn't better than ours but their players are scaling up and over achieving and performing better than ours and this shouldn't be happening especially when you had a coach whose speciality is to get the best out of players and scale them up.
 
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They have 5 huge home games - Fulham, Burnley, Villa, Newcastle and Bournemouth. They also have an away against us where their manager nearly had Wolves beating us earlier in the season.

They need 13 points from that to get to 40
Main problem for Forest this season is Chris Wood. Last season was a complete one off when he got 20 league goals. Never going to happen again and hasn’t as he’s been injured most of the time and still is.
 
Forest have been hit by a tsunami of managerial changes and a Europa tournament they should bin.

The only team they have looked good against was us, which was actually a mirage, because we were so sh!t.

They are very vulnerable, as might be Brighton.
 
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Bottom line is we should never be as low as we are right now, not just in the table but in terms of performance or underlying numbers.

People will argue about how good/bad our players are but the vast majority of them haven't improved and have either stagnated and gone backwards, this is why I brought up the Brentford and Sunderland examples...the base level of their squads isn't better than ours but their players are scaling up and over achieving and performing better than ours and this shouldn't be happening especially when you had a coach whose speciality is to get the best out of players and scale them up.
The coach was a complete fraud. The players were shit last season too

You might be correct but I don’t have much faith in these fools
 
No of course I don’t really know…. I’m saying they are more than capable of winning 4 or 5 and building some momentum under that home crowd

So much so that they are where they are.

I think Forest have a decent squad but nothing special, and 4 managers is hard to grapple with

When you throw in 2 more games that they could do without, I think that if they lose on Sunday, they really are going to find it very hard.
 
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