Yeah so true.
Let's win a trophy and go down. At least we won a trophy, and that will never be taken from us.
Brilliant.
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Yeah so true.
Let's win a trophy and go down. At least we won a trophy, and that will never be taken from us.
Brilliant.
The later, 100%
The same people who call Ramos and Graham shit, and never mention them, or never call them legends, despite being the only other ones winning silverware in PL era.
But they managed to do it without getting us almost relegated.
Ange fan boi's are fecking mental... Totally brain dead.
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Yeah and we'll probably comeback up and win something again! Better then spending the next 20 years in the same loop between 8th and 4th while the owners lap up all the profit
Shame how winning a trophy and finishing 17th lost us a major sponsor and now we have even less to pay players.
Mate I'm not getting into all that shit. If we didn't hire a gooner in Vinai who then hired a coward in Frank then we'd have been fine.
Ange would have had us midtable this season. Frank set us back decades. Atleast Ange gave us that trophy. The club is ran by idiots. Was crazy sacking levy when you see the mess they left behind. That is why we are losing sponsers!
You're welcome.
Now that you've shown us on the doll where the bad man touched you we can get down to a proper analysis of the true causes of the underlying trauma causing the rage and pain which consumes you.
They are in order:
1) An ownership which has overseen the managed decline of Tottenham's on field assets (squad depth and quality) for a decade, whilst promising/projecting a false sense of strength and ambition.
2) The simultaneous rise of the hated evil empire down the round whose ownership did the complete opposite of ours.
These two things happened to reach their nadir in 23/24 and 24/25. The period in which Ange Postecoglou happened to be manager and, therefore, the focus of all your justified pain and, sadly, misguided rage.
We were warned - by Antonio Conte no less - what was happening. We just didn't want to believe it. Somehow we believed that Conte's rant and the subsequent collapse into the anarchy of the Stellini/Mason interregnum was a "blip". That we could cling to the memory of hope of Poch's 2016/17 team as if it were an aspiration our ownership would return too.
Then we sold Harry Kane for 86 million. And the Scum spend 100 million on Rice.
The real "blip" was Postecoglou's first 10 games. His ability to get buy in from a fresh group of players, world class performances from Bissouma; inverted full backs running through walls; Brennan Johnson scoring at the far post for fun. But it was all built on paper thin foundations. A few injuries and squad depth was exposed and the cracks could be seen.
But we finish 5th. Scum finish 2nd. Somehow we STILL believe in our divine right to rise back above the hated enemy down the road and reclaim our rightful 4th spot (the limit of our ambition). Surely we will strengthen the foundations?
We sign Solanke and three teenagers.
Even then the start to the 24/25 season was fine. As ever when Postecoglou has his back 5 available we track roundabout Top 4-6. In fact our xG metrics were very good. We beat City away 1-4. We are 4 points of 2nd spot with a GD of +14. But Vicario and Udogie get injured - joining Romero and VDV on the sidelines. Our foundation are still paper thin.
Our league season collapses.
But we go on to win the Europa League. We do so by not playing Romero and VDV together in the league for 3 months even though both are available. We are safe from relegation but cannot win a league game to save our lives. It's awful. Everyone knows the manager must go and he does. But some of us warn "he isn't the only problem". But others are certain everything will be better.
When we hire a perfectly decent manager in Thomas Frank people write things like this:
Now... you can't understand why people "die on the hill of Ange". But that is not what's happening here. It is a flawed analysis. Because you're still in denial about what the problem really is.
The problem is not, was not and never has been Ange Postecoglou.
The problem is not, was not and never has been Thomas Frank.
The problem is not, was not, and never has been Antonio Conte.
They might have all been "a" problem, but were never THE problem.
And once you understand that, you understand what a precious thing that Europa League trophy is. Because until the real problem is solved - it's literally as good as it's going to get for us.
That's the hill we're dying on.
I hope you find some peace, my friend.
I mean, there is no way you can say that with such confidence - and that's not to shit on Ange as a human, but there is nothing in what we saw last season that could possibly give you confidence in Ange having us anywhere above where we are now.
The BEST teams in the league have been drawing and losing like crazy.
After 28 games, this is the lowest the Premier League leaders have points-wise since the prem league began, bar the Leicester season.
Also, let's not use 'idiots' eh?
Sorry if you took offence to that term. I just think so little of the people running this club and blame everything on them. Ange brought joy to my life and since we sacked him everything has gotten worse.
Nearly everyone on here were desperate for Levy and Ange to go in the summer and blamed all our troubles on them. But Frank and Vinai were far worse and the club is spiralling on a downward trajectory. I'd just love if people could admit that Ange and Levy were not the problem and they got it wrong.
People who tell you they are introverts 100% full of shit. He is a grade A narcissist. The coming oblivion of being forgotten about and overlook for EPL jobs after the Forest debacle will be very hard on him. Its good he has his followers.
And a handful of millions to cry upon.
I can honestly say that Ange wouldn't have had us anywhere near where we are now if he got his 3rd season, not at least as the players would actually put in the effort for him as opposed to Frank who they stopped believing in him earlier in the season.
I now think it was the wrong decision to sack Postecoglou but that's not because I think he would have fared much better than Frank but simply because any new manager walking into the shitstorm would have faced exactly the same problems Frank did.
There is a case to be made that Postecoglou would have had going okay this season simply because our back 5 has been relatively healthy and his record with a healthy 1st choice Back 5 was always Top 5ish. But in many ways it would still have been more plastering over the cracks in our foundation - from squad depth and quality all the way to the workings at the top of the club.
As I keep saying the managers aren't the real problem. That was made clear when it didn't work out with Conte.
We were no better last year.
You can pour whatever meaning you want into this year, but we were no better off last year and there's no basis whatsoever to claim we'd be doing better if Ange had been kept.
He'd most likely have been sacked early in the season as last year's results continued, and we'd be in the same position we are now.
If there is anything he proved conclusively here it is that he can't do any better with this set of players and there was nothing more to be gained by retaining someone who set a record for losses in his second season as though he were going to somehow become someone he is not.
His tenure couldn't and wouldn't have happened in other era but this one. It's incredibly zietgist, I think he is FULLY part of a wider pattern. A dangerous illogical one that's harmless in football and sports generally but which speaks to a far darker milieu.
It's enchanced by social media and the culture shift in mainstream media, and is rooted in desperation a fracturing of cultural cohesion and a polarisation that has gone beyond politics and become embedded in the perception of in and out groups.
He is the essential male charismatic populist leader. I think the love affair with with this type will end in quite the implosion.
something something Epstein... something something Icke...
And now what? Andrew Tate comparisons? Ange Postecoglou as the AntiChrist causing the fracturing of cultural cohesion?
My goodness... the stuff you come out with
I honestly don't know if people actually watch the video..
The questions Neville and Co asked are more neutral than comfortable and the responses were hardly anything but arse-licking.
And people can't be for real thinking interviewees have not gotten the script before hand on what's to be talked about can they? And people want drama on podcasts?
You're in denial mate!
Denial of what? The club is a total shitshow and fans spent years blaming all the shortcomings on Levy. They spent the last year blaming everything from injuries to results on Ange. And where are we? Worse than ever. The fans who can't admit they've been wrong the entire time are the ones in denial!