It was never owned by Sky and regardless of that it doesn't mean it's some sort of Monday Night Football spin off, it's literally what it is, a podcast.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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It was never owned by Sky and regardless of that it doesn't mean it's some sort of Monday Night Football spin off, it's literally what it is, a podcast.
...when was the last time Sky Sports actually did any deep-diving tactical analysis or a forensic breakdown?
For the last 10 years they've slowly descended into powder puff clichés and click bait sound bites... Just LIKE their podcast competition!
Or else why would we still get nonsense like "Well you know what Romero is like" and well that's Spurs for you...? as well as "Man Utd just KNOW how to win trophies!"
They've become more and more lazy cos they know they've already got the viewers, as long as they keep pandering to the Big Sky Four...
Bit like the Spurs board do with the Stadium???
...that's Spurs for you!!!!!
Ah.
Every MNF, Carragher is pretty good tbh.
Yeah, when he's not spitting at kids!!
No, I accept they do often go in-depth at times, with all their cutting edge technology abd touch screen walls... but they still resort back to tired old clichés (like our inability to do ANYTHING right) when playing it safe and appealling to the masses!
I would have been pissed if I’d been a season ticket holder, granted. I just stopped going near the end and haven’t been to see us at all this season. I’d only do maybe 15-20 games anyway. But I do agree that you shouldn’t be expected to fork out hard earned to watch some of the pish we’ve seen in the last two years.
Where we disagree is that I had hope with Ange. I’d hear him talk and think that we were on the edge of something. I heard Frank talk and knew we were on the edge of relegation. It’s hope that I’ve lost recently and it doesn’t feel great.
Overall, I can see why Ange pissed a lot of people off. I can also see how he could have kept others onside, as he did with me.
This is absolutely spot on as to why I used to be a huge fan of his (prior to us appointing him, and initially) and to why I wouldn't want him near us now. There are people who think it is a deliverable promise, and people who see it as bombastic.
People had (and some still have) hope because when he talks he is so convicted that he would play the best football and win every game 5-0 - but we saw, in the league, that it just isn't realistic.
He seems to have some much belief in himself, which has its advantages, but if you have 2 seasons then you start to look at league performances and see there's a fundamental flaw to not being able to compromise on style, at all, or have any tactical flexibility.
The idea that people didn't want us to win the cup is a ridiculous and weak argument - I think every spurs fan wanted and enjoyed that outcome. The issue is that, like our other cup winning managers in the PL era, is that is has no reflection or vindication of anything else.
I mean, based on last season's pattern and how this season was going, it isn't completely unthinkable that Frank could have gone on to reach a CL final and somehow shithoused it - and we'd probably still seem some kind of minority claiming him as one of the best managers in our history for the accolade and deserving of more time. Just how it is.
Woah, hold your horses right there buddy!
Those 10 games have been romantically misremembered by those who love Postecoglou, the reality was we scored some good goals and attacked a lot but teams time and again passed straight through our defence, and although Vicario has his faults that we all know about, he made a series of spectacular point blank saves during those 10 games, insomuch I recall people reckoning the club had got a better keeper than Raya.
I still remember peeking through my fingers at the TV thinking to myself, how the fuck did he save that!!
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You're welcome.
Now that you've shown us on the doll where the bad man touched you we can get down to a proper analysis of the true causes of the underlying trauma causing the rage and pain which consumes you.
They are in order:
1) An ownership which has overseen the managed decline of Tottenham's on field assets (squad depth and quality) for a decade, whilst promising/projecting a false sense of strength and ambition.
2) The simultaneous rise of the hated evil empire down the round whose ownership did the complete opposite of ours.
These two things happened to reach their nadir in 23/24 and 24/25. The period in which Ange Postecoglou happened to be manager and, therefore, the focus of all your justified pain and, sadly, misguided rage.
We were warned - by Antonio Conte no less - what was happening. We just didn't want to believe it. Somehow we believed that Conte's rant and the subsequent collapse into the anarchy of the Stellini/Mason interregnum was a "blip". That we could cling to the memory of hope of Poch's 2016/17 team as if it were an aspiration our ownership would return too.
Then we sold Harry Kane for 86 million. And the Scum spend 100 million on Rice.
The real "blip" was Postecoglou's first 10 games. His ability to get buy in from a fresh group of players, world class performances from Bissouma; inverted full backs running through walls; Brennan Johnson scoring at the far post for fun. But it was all built on paper thin foundations. A few injuries and squad depth was exposed and the cracks could be seen.
But we finish 5th. Scum finish 2nd. Somehow we STILL believe in our divine right to rise back above the hated enemy down the road and reclaim our rightful 4th spot (the limit of our ambition). Surely we will strengthen the foundations?
We sign Solanke and three teenagers.
Even then the start to the 24/25 season was fine. As ever when Postecoglou has his back 5 available we track roundabout Top 4-6. In fact our xG metrics were very good. We beat City away 1-4. We are 4 points of 2nd spot with a GD of +14. But Vicario and Udogie get injured - joining Romero and VDV on the sidelines. Our foundation are still paper thin.
Our league season collapses.
But we go on to win the Europa League. We do so by not playing Romero and VDV together in the league for 3 months even though both are available. We are safe from relegation but cannot win a league game to save our lives. It's awful. Everyone knows the manager must go and he does. But some of us warn "he isn't the only problem". But others are certain everything will be better.
When we hire a perfectly decent manager in Thomas Frank people write things like this:
Now... you can't understand why people "die on the hill of Ange". But that is not what's happening here. It is a flawed analysis. Because you're still in denial about what the problem really is.
The problem is not, was not and never has been Ange Postecoglou.
The problem is not, was not and never has been Thomas Frank.
The problem is not, was not, and never has been Antonio Conte.
They might have all been "a" problem, but were never THE problem.
And once you understand that, you understand what a precious thing that Europa League trophy is. Because until the real problem is solved - it's literally as good as it's going to get for us.
That's the hill we're dying on.
I hope you find some peace, my friend.
We also struggled to score and it was all a bit bitty.
Sheff Utd for instance.
I Think one of our best games was AV 4-0... Put us in the driving seat for a CL spot, and then fucked it and embarrassed us.
It's a bit like how David Icke uses instances such as Epstein's machinations , and things like Savile being chummy with Prince Charles (as he was known then) to verify his rantings about the World being run by some sort of Satanic reptilian shapeshifting paedophile ring,
Believe it or not Icke has a lot of people that believe it all, he fills massive stadiums such as Wembley. He holds up instances such as Epstein as sort of trophies that he won, in a told you so sort of way.
Postecoglou I recall, told his players to imagine their greatest influential person is watching (even though they could well not be) so it's a David Icke like trick. It's all about psychology and will with him, but he's enough of a grifter to know that the Europa League was all he had to focus on. Romero and VdV had to convince him what to do, and they got it done on his behalf.
So Postecoglou holding up the trophy with I told you so.... is just the same as Icke holding up the Epstein files saying I told you so.
No matter how much you try to talk sense into either of these people's supporters, they'll just tell you there's something wrong with you. There is literally nothing one can say to convince any of those people to change their minds. There isn't a way to win a debate with them.
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Half of our fanbase are an utter disgrace and beyond even ridiculing here.
What a way to treat a decent human being (by all accounts) as well as a bonafide Tottenham legend... No wonder we're the laughing stock of the world. We actually, definitely deserve it.
"Supporters" had a big part to play in kamikaze'ing something that could have been a twisting point in our recent trajectory. Decided rather than supporting our beautiful club through hard times, they would rather follow other internet DORKS and make becoming anti-Ange their new full-time personality and online persona. So happy for you all
Really hope to see the big man do well in anything he goes onto. Has more heart in himself than what we seem to in an entire institution.
No wonder Kane and Son left this club considering some of the state of our "supporters". Half of which have had their panties well and truly pulled down by the media - YES, you are likely reading this, and YES if you're feeling like it might be aimed at you, then I can confirm that YES it definitely is and you're most likely are a raging CUCK with a secret Chelski or Gooner fetish.
Big Ange out here doing classy interviews just to mug off all of the LOW-IQ obsessed MUPPETS one final time.
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Think of a trophy as verification that the manager of the trophy winning team has done something incredible, even though the players have decided upon their own tactics and approach to the game.
Then think of how David icke's supporters are convinced he's some sort of enlightened being because he's been talking about sex crimes regarding people in positions of power for decades.
No. No I won't be thinking of either of these tortured metaphors.
Because I'm not completely and utterly batshit crazy.
I will, however, be suggesting to local law enforcement that your hard drive be checked immediately.
No. No I won't be thinking of either of these tortured metaphors.
Because I'm not completely and utterly batshit crazy.
I will, however, be suggesting to local law enforcement that your hard drive be checked immediately.
'Sex crimes'
You'll never guess what henious crime he used the other day as a analogy lol
The more they talk...
I dont think it is an "incredible achievement" when the favourites to win a tournament go and win the tournament.
Is it belief, or is it delusion?
100000%
Too many fans got comfortable of coasting into top 8 finishes for the last 15 years and forgot that the goal is to actually win trophies. We'll have that Europa League forever. No trophy for top 4. Just more revenue and profit and the same cycle going on again and again and again.
Yep,and whilst I am not sure about the detail of all you have posted, whatever hold Postecoglou has/had on people is still in full swing.
Bizarre as anything to me. Maybe just symptomatic of what and why, so-called 'Influencers' are able to do what they do.
So much on so little. Weird.
I guess that's the question and the split.
Belief is kind of evidence based, and delusion isn't. Some people will use the start of his tenure as belief it would work (right players, less injuries, etc) and others will use the other 90% of the games to insist it wouldn't.
I don't think there's really ever any "evidence" that any manager would have overcome their slump in league form. I imagine if the internet was more mature 20 years ago that we might have caught a wave of pro-Ramos folk (best two strikers sold, more time to develop his signings from the summer). Can make the argument for a lot, if not all, managers.
I think the most contentious ones are the ones who actually did badly over a sustained period (IIRC Poch was on a long run of near 1ppg form before he left?) rather than those who left with us in reasonably decent form (e.g. Redknapp).