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Management Relegation
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Did Ange not have a similar league record wins wise? At least he had Maddison, Kulu and Solanke (who should never be a spurs first choice 9 imo) fit most of the season.
With the other injury problems we’ve had on top of that and total inactivity and blasé nature of the new board during the January window who would’ve fixed the situation if Frank was sacked in October? Even with a fully fit squad (which Frank was never close to having) where would you expect us to finish? It’s a midtable squad at best fully fit. Watched the Chelsea-Woolwich game. Both have players on the bench that would be important first team players for us. Sickening. Our only transfer is the modern Jordan Henderson and it’s all good.
This club has knocked every bit of optimism out of many of us, I’m afraid.
You’re kidding are you,Ange had worse injuries than frank,at one stage had Forster in goal and Archie gray at centre back,had no Romero or van de ven for a lot of the year plus others,frank had a decent squad for the first 15 games or so
I think we're on the same PPG as last year. Just don't have the fortune of three historically bad teams being promoted at the same time.
Why doesn’t Frank have the same fanclub as Ange had? We’ve done the job in Europe against much better teams and been equally as shit domestically.*with far less fit first team players.* this time last year*
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We need those games, win or lose, as training to build momentum back in the prem. A chance to work out issues and try to build fluency with attacking patterns.
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ah, fuck it.
ah, fuck it.
I don’t think it was “we shoulda kept Frank” but more like “it’s not Frank that’s our biggest problem.”
Ok you might be onto something with that one. Although I do think early-mid season Frank was causing us problems. We actually had a largely fit squad back then and we were still looking uber-wank.
I reckon I overrated our squad at the beginning of the season, but I think tons of managers could comfortably get this squad to mid-table at the very least. Although with all the injuries, European football and wonky signings maybe lower-mid table is more likely
My pre-season prediction was 8th and I reckon a good manager could've got us there if they'd not been hit by this insane injury crisis. The squad has issues but is it really worse than the likes of Everton, Sunderland etc? I don't think so.
Also some of the signings (Palhinha especially but also maybe Gallagher) were clearly for Frank. I think most managers don't look at our squad and make their priority signing a no.6 that can't pass - making him our midfield target has really hurt us imo. A better manager improves us by also requesting more progressive signings that actually make sense.
Setting aside season 1 when he finished 5th, unlucky to miss out on Champions League football at the end of the 2023/24 season, finishing fifth with 66 points; the same tally, and position, that Newcastle United have got in 2024/25,
Spurs began 2024/25 well, and by the time they beat Manchester City 4-0 on 23 November Postecoglou’s side were on 19 points from 12 matches, just three points short of third place.
But then the injuries struck.
By the end of the campaign only Brighton & Hove Albion ranked above Spurs for number of injuries and total days lost. Nobody missed anywhere near as many first-choice players as Spurs.
As Postecoglou said of the endless problems, “Every time I've seen the light at the end of the tunnel, it's usually been an oncoming train.”
The point being Frank seems to get the sympathy of injuries that Postecoglou doesn't
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By no means did I enjoy the football. He had no Kulu, Maddison, Solanke for his entire tenure. We qualified top 8 in CL with far harder fixtures than the likes of Qarabag, ferencvaros etc
Frank’s terrible football could win us the CL and finish 17th again?In all honesty Frank’s tenure is the same as the Labour Party. Had a one off chance to really change things and stamp your authority on the big issues.
I was pro Frank, and he was a lot more defensive than I thought he’d be. At the same time his only January arrival is Gallagher. Bit of a pisstake no? It’s been mentioned before the attacking players Frank left at Brentford are better than ours. I’m sure he was expecting way more in the summer and other players in January too. He had Maddison and Kulu out for the season and zero replacement allowed.
From Frank’s point of view, yes he’s taken on this big job at spurs. He’s got absolutely stitched up in the two windows he’s had. Allowed to sign Kudus (club signing) Palinha on loan and Gallagher? As first team players.
I’d be absolutely raging, wasn’t allow to stamp his mark on the club and got told to get on with it.
I genuinely reckon Frank was pretty happy with the squad and didn't want the board to make panic signings in Jan as he was deluded and thought he was just starting a long term project and relegation wasn't a serious concern. He said as much in every presser "we need to sign the right players not any players" etc.By no means did I enjoy the football. He had no Kulu, Maddison, Solanke for his entire tenure. We qualified top 8 in CL with far harder fixtures than the likes of Qarabag, ferencvaros etc
In all honesty Frank’s tenure is the same as the Labour Party. Had a one off chance to really change things and stamp your authority on the big issues.
I was pro Frank, and he was a lot more defensive than I thought he’d be. At the same time his only January arrival is Gallagher. Bit of a pisstake no? It’s been mentioned before the attacking players Frank left at Brentford are better than ours. I’m sure he was expecting way more in the summer and other players in January too. He had Maddison and Kulu out for the season and zero replacement allowed.
From Frank’s point of view, yes he’s taken on this big job at spurs. He’s got absolutely stitched up in the two windows he’s had. Allowed to sign Kudus (club signing) Palinha on loan and Gallagher? As first team players.
I’d be absolutely raging, wasn’t allow to stamp his mark on the club and got told to get on with it.
He loved Palhinha and Kudus - reckon those 2 were ones he specifically wanted.
I bet his grubby mitts were all over the Gallagher signing too.
We took 13 points from the 8 games directly after the 8 CL group games. I’ll fucking take that points return in the final 10, wouldn’t you?
At least we didn't panic buy in January, we'll always have that we didn't panic buy in January
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No way he was happy with summer signings. Left a cushty job at Brentford and allowed a couple signings? You’d want 5 or 6 of your players in. We finished lower than I hope we finish this season
I’d be furious if I was Frank. He’s allowed one summer signing, a loan and an emergency January signing? We’re supposed to be a massive European club. I’d be fucking raging if that’s all the business allowed to happen.Don’t want to nitpick but I’m not really sure that we were unlucky to miss out on CL qualification at the end of Ange’s first season. He had almost a fully fit squad for the last 7 matches and we got 6 points by beating relegated Burnley and Sheffield United. When we played anyone of any substance during this period we were feebly beaten so the frailties and Ange’s limitations were already showing.Setting aside season 1 when he finished 5th, unlucky to miss out on Champions League football at the end of the 2023/24 season, finishing fifth with 66 points; the same tally, and position, that Newcastle United have got in 2024/25,
Spurs began 2024/25 well, and by the time they beat Manchester City 4-0 on 23 November Postecoglou’s side were on 19 points from 12 matches, just three points short of third place.
But then the injuries struck.
By the end of the campaign only Brighton & Hove Albion ranked above Spurs for number of injuries and total days lost. Nobody missed anywhere near as many first-choice players as Spurs.
As Postecoglou said of the endless problems, “Every time I've seen the light at the end of the tunnel, it's usually been an oncoming train.”
The point being Frank seems to get the sympathy of injuries that Postecoglou doesn't
A rollercoaster two years: The story of Postecoglou's time at Spurs
Alex Keble looks at the highs and lows that defined the Australian's tenure
If you offered me a draw right now I would take it and run away before you changed your mindThey've given us these chances for the game tomorrow, not sure I'm that confident
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