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Got even worse, didn't it?
Let's just use another example.
What if a player fouls someone in the center circle, ref gives advantage, game goes on, goal scored. Ref always goes back and books the offender after.
So why yesterday, when Szaboszlai fouls Haaland, regardless of Haalands follow up, was the goal disallowed? Haaland didn't score it.
Let's just use another example.
What if a player fouls someone in the center circle, ref gives advantage, game goes on, goal scored. Ref always goes back and books the offender after.
So why yesterday, when Szaboszlai fouls Haaland, regardless of Haalands follow up, was the goal disallowed? Haaland didn't score it.
Firstly :-
What if a player fouls someone in the center circle, ref gives advantage, game goes on, goal scored. Ref always goes back and books the offender after.
Incorrect. He will only book him if the original offence that he played advantage from, would have been a red Card Offence. Playing advantage downgrades a red to a yellow, and a yellow card offence for Stopping a Promising Attack to no card.
The reason behind the downgrade from DOGSO to a yellow card or from SPA to no card is that by playing the advantage the offence of Stopping a Promising Attack or Denying an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity has not occured as the attack is still continuing
So why yesterday, when Szaboszlai fouls Haaland, regardless of Haalands follow up, was the goal disallowed? Haaland didn't score it.
Because Haaland committed an offence in pulling Szobozlai. If he hadn't have done, that goal would have been awarded and Szobozlai would have received a Yellow Card (Downgraded DOGSO Red to a yellow due to the advantage)
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Are you a ref or just making that up?
I've seen refs go back and book loads of players during matches, none of which would have been reds if they stopped it there and then.
And what happened to the post I was about to reply to when you said you can't be offside in your own half? I can't find any footage now of the the shirt pull on Salah, but I didn't notice he was in his own half when that attack started.
I was (at time when officials still had other vocations and the refereeing was more of a reasonably well paid second job) , and still have contacts in the professional game.
Here is the actual wording in the laws (changed 2 seasons back)
Advantage
If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.
On the Salah pull, I was replying thinking you were talking about Haaland being pulled back in the last minute incident, as some people incorrectly thought Haaland was offside, but was in own half.
On the pulling back of Salah, to me it didn't look offside, however process is, they decide whether the foul which was committed met criteria for DOGSO first, and as they didn't think it was just for the foul (covering defender), they didn't even need to check the offside. Yellow card can be issued for either Stopping Promising Attack or unsporting behaviour anyway.
If I recall game restarted with free kick to Liverpool, meaning either a) they did check offside and it wasn't, b) it is out of scope for VAR to check offside as does not meet one of the criteria (Goal, Penalty, Red Card Offence, Mistaken Identity, Inside/Outside area that VAR can intervene in). I am almost certain would be b) in this case, but they can do things concurrently nowadays.
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Surprise Surprise - the officials are getting blinder.
www.bbc.co.uk
Refereeing and VAR errors increase in Premier League
Refereeing mistakes on the field and through the video assistant referee have risen across most categories in this season's Premier League.
www.bbc.co.uk
VAR = Vile and Repugnant
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
Nuff was right.
Surprise Surprise - the officials are getting blinder.
Refereeing and VAR errors increase in Premier League
Refereeing mistakes on the field and through the video assistant referee have risen across most categories in this season's Premier League.
Translation:
Corruption is getting more obvious
Makes a change they acknowledge mistakes. When you self regulate you just bury the scam.Surprise Surprise - the officials are getting blinder.
Refereeing and VAR errors increase in Premier League
Refereeing mistakes on the field and through the video assistant referee have risen across most categories in this season's Premier League.
So theYeah.
Won't be any bias there though.
are winning the cup then...
VAR: FSA survey finds 75% of Premier League fans against system
Fans believe VAR is ruining goal celebrations and has not improved football since its introduction, according to a Football Supporters' Association survey.
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Absolutely damning.
You don't have to abandon VAR to bring that 75% opposition down, you just need to listen to fans and teams alike and adjust it.
Spurs sent stinging penalty verdict as Simons caution sees rule change demanded
Roberto De Zerbi's Spurs remain a point from safety after the draw with Brighton and have a real battle on their hands to avoid relegation from the Premier League
This is why VAR is a load of bollocks.
If the ref doesn't give a penalty, they won't overturn if.
If the ref does give a penalty.....they won't overturn it.
What is the fucking point then!!!!!
It could have been so good for football. But it's been a never ending shit show.
All it does is highlight how small minded everyone in the refereeing world really is.
Spurs sent stinging penalty verdict as Simons caution sees rule change demanded
Roberto De Zerbi's Spurs remain a point from safety after the draw with Brighton and have a real battle on their hands to avoid relegation from the Premier Leaguewww.football.london
This is why VAR is a load of bollocks.
If the ref doesn't give a penalty, they won't overturn if.
If the ref does give a penalty.....they won't overturn it.
What is the fucking point then!!!!!
It could have been so good for football. But it's been a never ending shit show.
All it does is highlight how small minded everyone in the refereeing world really is.
I can't remember who but it's happened a couple of times iirc referees who were on VAR coming out and saying they didn't want to disagree with their mate (the on field ref) to save them from embarrassment / troubles.
That fundamentally breaks the whole thing then, so the sporting spectacle can't be controlled fairly in case a mate looks bad.
Pathetic.
To me VAR should be a different set of people completely isolated from the on field refs. No relationship there at all. Then with technology today surely there is a way so that a VAR can see footage but the club / player indentity is hidden? If you then do not tell each VAR which game they are on, maybe then finally we might have fair, consistent decisions across the board for ALL teams not just the Sky teams.
The other thing that concerns me is it really looks like VAR listen to live match commentary.
I don't believe I've ever seen a VAR decision disagree with commentary even when it's obvious the commentary is talking utter bollocks. That is hard to prove for sure but it really feels like it to me.
However we are so far gone now, the money is so huge it's very improbable that things improve. It's a huge weapon, and as Scudamore said "we have ways of making things interesting". He is right because not a single PL matchweek passes without dozens of very dubious decisions being made by officials. It's not the kind of 'interesting' we really want though is it, but I guess it generates tons of engagement and attention / clicks so that is great for them but not really for the good of the 'sport'.