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Player Djed Spence

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Anyone who brings Spence's race or ethnicity into anything will find I have plenty to say.

Let's stick to the guy's ability (or not) as a footbalaer and by all means let's also drift into what kind of character he may or may not be, but if that becomes a issue that allows sh!t on the grounds of race, well no.

This is the thing. The lad is a berk and has spent his entire professional career being a berk. There's a long list of managers who have had issues with him for this reason and that is nothing to do with his race or ethnicity. It's probably a projection, when people take people talking about it without jumping to 'racism'.
 
Calling him a kid to elicit sympathy is beyond laughable.

Okay he's not a kid (although when you're my age 25 IS very much a "kid"). Does that mean he deserves to have some no mark cunt on a forum declaring he's destined to broke and living a gutter in a few years because of his so called "attitude"?

That kind of thinking is beyond putrid.
 
This whole discussion is fucking nuts. Two years ago Spence's career was in the dirt. Last night he played for England.

Sure we can debate his individual frustrations as a Spurs player that we see but anyone damning his character and condemning him to the gutter is just a deranged fucking arsehole.

Awful stuff. Be better.
 
This is the thing. The lad is a berk and has spent his entire professional career being a berk. There's a long list of managers who have had issues with him for this reason and that is nothing to do with his race or ethnicity. It's probably a projection, when people take people talking about it without jumping to 'racism'.

By "long list" you mean Warnock and Conte (who probably never had a problem with him personally at all but was pissed he wasn't getting Bastoni).

Since then Postecoglou re-integrated him into the squad and he, and every manager since, has played him consistently. INCLUDING THE ENGLAND MANAGER.

I think Tuchel is fucking insane but I'll take his judgement on Djed Spence over yours every day of the week. Fuck me people dont half talk shite somtimes...
 
I think he’s a very good player when the dominoes fall right for him. Ultimate confidence player.
And no, the dominoes comparison had nothing to do with anybody’s skin tone before anyone carries on with the absurd race bullshit one way or the other.
If we go down it won’t be down to him alone.
There’s too many fragile young men in that squad who can’t raise themselves or their team mates when the going gets tough.
That isn’t down to them individually. It’s the incompetence of the people who paid millions for them to accumulate a stack of fragile kids, for years ,on huge salaries.
As awful as relegation is, that squad would be gutted and a gutting is what is needed.
I don’t think Spence is the first one I’d usher out the door.
 
Not sure why I'm tagged here, pal? That dude you're speaking with, I got him on ignore...lemme guess, he called me a racist cause I dared criticise Djed? State of them muppets and their ridiculous shortcuts. Musta missed that post where I explained I'm mixed race and a former practicing Muslim, but then again it's hard when your head is so far up your arse.

Shit, I criticized Richarlison too...must mean I hate the Rio Carnival and want to destroy the Amazon.
It's common thing amongst the weak and pathetic.

It's easier to call people racist, than argue points...

They just can't handle people having opinions of their own, that don't confirm to BS moral stand points.
 
Yeah that’s very different & disgusting and should be a permanent ban. That’s not even thinly veiled racism it’s just out there.
Why? Was it because he was black? Or the shit attitude he gave off?

If he said that about all our black players, I think you would have a point.

Not sure that's the case if it's a single player.

But I wasn't around then, so can't see the whole thing in context.
 
By "long list" you mean Warnock and Conte (who probably never had a problem with him personally at all but was pissed he wasn't getting Bastoni).

Since then Postecoglou re-integrated him into the squad and he, and every manager since, has played him consistently. INCLUDING THE ENGLAND MANAGER.

I think Tuchel is fucking insane but I'll take his judgement on Djed Spence over yours every day of the week. Fuck me people dont half talk shite somtimes...

Neil Warnock,
Chris Wilder
Antonio Conte,
Bruno Genesio,
Daniel Farke (because ange sent him off on loan)
Thomas Frank


And let's remember that he didn't feature at all under Postecoglou until he had no other players to pick
 
Oh look one of the other very worst people on this forum has weighed in with their putrid bile...

"He's just a wrong un"

WTF is wrong with you people?
 
Neil Warnock,
Chris Wilder
Antonio Conte,
Bruno Genesio,
Daniel Farke (when because ange sent him off on loan)
Thomas Frank


And let's remember that he didn't feature at all under Postecoglou until he had no other players to pick

You are so full of shit it's incredible. Postecoglou integrated Spence into the squad slowly but surely from pre-season 2024 onwards. That was clearly the pre-season where the penny dropped for Djed and he knuckled down and was rewarded by the manager and the only thing that slowed his progress to becoming a fully fledged integrated part of our squad during that year was his own injury as I wrote about last year long before you appeared to bore us all to tears with your shit:

This meme has got completely out of control. You have no idea what Ange thinks/thought about Spence. So let's try and address facts, eh?

We know Spence was on the verge of being flogged to Genoa last summer. We don't know what happened next but presumably he went to the manager and stated he wanted to try and break into the team. Postecoglou gave him one last chance - one that all of Spence's previous managers except Steve Cooper hadn't.

That is fact. All we know for certain is that Spence was about to flogged for a loss. but ended up staying.

So now he's bottom of the pile. He has to prove himself. Train hard, show willing and fight for his chance.

That chance came against Coventry on 18th September. Came on second half - out of position as LB - and was great. Took his chance. Now he's caught the eye but he's still got a lot to prove. Porro is clearly number 1 RB; Udogie clearly number 1 LB. So it's going to be hard.

He's on the bench for the 3-1 win over Brentford. Fair enough. Still got a long way to go to break into the PL team.

He then gets 45 minutes in the win against United. Replaces Udogie (who is not injured just rested) for the second half and again plays well out of position. He's now trusted by the manager to have PL minutes when we're in good position. And is now an option to rotate in game out of position LB/RB. He has the managers trust. This is going well. He's moving up the squad ladder.

Then its the Brighton game - he almost certainly would have made a sub appearance if we were in control but disaster strikes and we throw away a 0-2 lead. Postecoglou relies on his 1st teamers to get out of the mess they created. Mistake? Probably. Understandable - probably. Most managers don't turn to fringe players to get them out of a jam.

And what happens next? Spence gets a groin injury. He misses 3 games. Back on the bench as an unused sub for Ipswich. Comes on late in the City win to help see it out. This groin injury is a set back. This is what stalled his progress.

The next 3 games is where Postecoglou leaves him on the bench as we suffer a series of disappointing results. This is the one patch of the year where you can legitimately say Postecoglou made a mistake. But considering Spence started at the bottom of the pile he wasn't getting ahead of Porro and Udogie who were NOT INJURED and we desperately needed results and under pressure managers rely on what they know has worked for them. But, yes, feel free to have a crack at Postecoglou for this stretch of games.

But Djed keeps going. Doesn't drop his head. Finally gets his chance when he starts against Southampton. He's great.

And hasn't missed a game since EXCEPT for the Wolves game where he was suspended. The Wolves game was where Udogie did his hamstring. Spence couldn't have played because he was suspended.

And since then he's played every game hes been available for and has now proved himself beyond doubt.

Those are the facts. If you look at them and still want to continue this fantasy that Postecoglou never gave him a chance or never believed in him then I'd suggest you are exhibiting "cult like" behaviour.

In this shitty clusterfuck of a season the one good thing - one feel good story - has been Djed Spence turning his career around with the help of the manager who gave him a chance.


Oh - and the REAL MISTAKE Postecoglou made wasn't in not believing in Spence (he clearly did as shown above) it was NOT BELIEVING in Brandon Austin. If he did then Spence gets in the EL squad over Forster and the whole process outlined above would have been accelerated.

Spence is a very decent footballer and rotation option for any team let alone Spurs. How do we know this? HE JUST FUCKING PLAYED FOR ENGLAND.

Just because he's not Cafu reborn doesn't give you people the right to call him a fucking "berk" or a "wrong un" when the last two years have clearly shown a dedication to his craft that has been rewarded by his managers and the England Coach ffs
 
You are so full of shit it's incredible. Postecoglou integrated Spence into the squad slowly but surely from pre-season 2024 onwards. That was clearly the pre-season where the penny dropped for Djed and he knuckled down and was rewarded by the manager and the only thing that slowed his progress to becoming a fully fledged integrated part of our squad during that year was his own injury as I wrote about last year long before you appeared to bore us all to tears with your shit:

Spence is a very decent footballer and rotation option for any team let alone Spurs. How do we know this? HE JUST FUCKING PLAYED FOR ENGLAND.

Just because he's not Cafu reborn doesn't give you people the right to call him a fucking "berk" or a "wrong un" when the last two years have clearly shown a dedication to his craft that has been rewarded by his managers and the England Coach ffs
This is where my self doubt that I know nothing about this sport kicks in.

I think Spence has been shite all season, yet highly paid managers pick him.
I think Romero is a fine player, but he’s been shite all season, yet, picked whenever available, both for us and his national side.
VDV? The same? Porro? Yep. Solanke? Fuck aye. RKM is now in the French squad.

And I’m not convinced I’m the only one questioning the ability and strength of mind of these players, yet, they play when they are available. Do we all just not know anything? Are there subtle signs we miss? Are managers just lazy cunts and don’t want to change their sides?
 
I don't get racist vibes from you tbh. Youre quite blunt at times lol but racist? Nah.

There's more then a few knobheads on here that are CLEARLY racist though.
Thanks King, appreciate it 🫶🏻🫶🏽🫶🏿

I always find it rather funny to be honest, considering I've spent most of my life in foreign countries, learning their culture and language. Got a Moroccan uncle, an Algerian one, gypsy cousins (not West Ham fans), best mates are from Jamaica & Africa (Maghreb, Togo, Congo...). Been involved with women from Vietnam, Italy, Taiwan, Sweden, Holland, France, Cambodia, South Africa (not a brag). As a player then manager I got to work with people from all horizons...never had anybody complain, was always seen as the glue guy actually.

But yeah, I'm 110% a direct, frank, blunt kinda guy. I take no prisoner...I wanna say something, I just say it. Beating round the bush and sugarcoating stuff ain't my thing. Doesn't mean you can't be a diplomatic and respectful person.
 
It's common thing amongst the weak and pathetic.

It's easier to call people racist, than argue points...

They just can't handle people having opinions of their own, that don't confirm to BS moral stand points.
Yeah man, spot on.

That Phomesy dude's got it in for me real bad, it's funny to be honest. Plenty jokes & memes I could add here (youse know the ones) but I'll be a gentleman 😂

For info, though...I also think Vicario, Romero, Porro, Bentancur and Micky are wronguns/bad characters...plenty posts from me having a go at their attitude...but that doesn't fit his narrative against me.
 
This is where my self doubt that I know nothing about this sport kicks in.

I think Spence has been shite all season, yet highly paid managers pick him.
I think Romero is a fine player, but he’s been shite all season, yet, picked whenever available, both for us and his national side.
VDV? The same? Porro? Yep. Solanke? Fuck aye. RKM is now in the French squad.

And I’m not convinced I’m the only one questioning the ability and strength of mind of these players, yet, they play when they are available. Do we all just not know anything? Are there subtle signs we miss? Are managers just lazy cunts and don’t want to change their sides?

This is a good post, concentrating solely on the evidence, or lack of it, and that wider subjective view that sometimes seems at odds with the facts.

In other words, it's hard to understand how Spence is being picked for England or Romero being picked for us, but clearly both are.

I think it says more about the perceived or evident quality of the options.
 
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Is all this anti Spence stuff because he didn't sing your national anthem?

He's just an edgy Kyle Naughton, let's be honest.

In a season where we're looking relegation in the face, I think it's quite normal to have scrutiny on players who just haven't performed all season and also haven't show the right attitude either. He's not being singled out
 
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