This is all fair enough. Personal opinion and all that.
I'd just quibble that 250000 at the parade would suggest the Europa League meant a bit more to the vast majority of Spurs fans than a "booby prize"
Were you at Bilbao btw?
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This is all fair enough. Personal opinion and all that.
I'd just quibble that 250000 at the parade would suggest the Europa League meant a bit more to the vast majority of Spurs fans than a "booby prize"
Were you at Bilbao btw?
Oh look all the emotional based posts are out about the Europa league to an entirely factual counter. Were you there, look what it meant .. blah fucking blah.
It was a great moment due to a fanbase that had specifically been starved of trophy success. That doesn’t make the Europa league high quality or a huge success for a manager to win. Give it a fucking rest.
It is objectively a poor quality competition featuring Europe’s not even B but C tier (the B tier go out in the early CL rounds!) that was previously mostly won by CL dropouts and is now apparently mostly competed for by teams everyone recognises as being poor in England.
The absolute faux outrage when anyone questions the sanctity of the Europa league on here now is outrageous. Most of this forum were happy when we exited it during the Poch era as we were focused on better competitions. Our final was between 14th and 17th.
Most normal people in the light of day can recognise it for what it is and still have enjoyed winning something. It’s called rational thought.
It was a great moment due to a fanbase that had specifically been starved of trophy success. That doesn’t make the Europa league high quality or a huge success for a manager to win. Give it a fucking rest.
It is objectively a poor quality competition featuring Europe’s not even B but C tier (the B tier go out in the early CL rounds!) that was previously mostly won by CL dropouts and is now apparently mostly competed for by teams everyone recognises as being poor in England.
The absolute faux outrage when anyone questions the sanctity of the Europa league on here now is outrageous. Most of this forum were happy when we exited it during the Poch era as we were focused on better competitions. Our final was between 14th and 17th.
Most normal people in the light of day can recognise it for what it is and still have enjoyed winning something. It’s called rational thought.
Possibly, but no one claim their "attractiveness" would be because Angelina Jolie once said hello to them before marrying brad pitt.
Any fucker else realise the thread topic went walkabout some time ago and won't be coming back...sport?
So weird.
The whole point of sport fandom is to feel emotion- especially when you win something.
The problem is you can't possibly understand this because you simply weren't there. You never are. So you have no frame of reference compared to those who do.
So what? So did Kane. We still appreciate him and he never won a European trophy with us
So weird.
The whole point of sport fandom is to feel emotion- especially when you win something.
The problem is you can't possibly understand this because you simply weren't there. You never are. So you have no frame of reference compared to those who do.
Yeah, and then after the celebration of winning something you usually return to being able to be rational. The “champions of Europe!” and salivating over Ange made sense at the time, it doesn’t make sense now when you break it down rationally.
All y’all have is emotion based arguments that people who view the EL in context weren’t there, don’t get it, support someone else. It’s so painfully dull and vacuous.
The EL win is great but it’s a competition that English teams of poor quality and very average European sides who aren’t CL level have and do win regularly. Frankfurt won it against RANGERS while finishing mid table in the fucking Bundesliga of all leagues.
It isn’t a marker of team quality or managerial genius. Amorim was and is a terrible coach who had no idea what he was doing and he made that final too.
You really take this thread far more seriously than it deserves. People enjoyed the Europa league win. We like to reminisce.
We are in the brink of relegation remember? I just don't understand why you don't focus your anger on that than on people in here enjoying and remembering we won stuff instead of being relegated
I don't know, for a club of our stature I think the EL is a great competition.
I mean, yeah, I'd love us to be competing for the CL again but that was a rare period in our history so while the EL is the lesser comp, we're a lesser team and have been for a few years now.
I remember watching West Ham winning the conference league thing and feeling pretty jealous of their fans and the enjoyment they took from that.
(I then had fun laughing again their "champions of Europe" chants but I do think that was a bit tongue in cheek).
I think European football isn't just about status, it's more about emotion and feeling, which is what footie is all about for me.
And our win stands out brighter because of how atrocious our season was, I think that's why so many of us buzzed so hard off it.
Had we been competing in the top four, it wouldn't have got this big a reaction.
That's not really fair.So weird.
The whole point of sport fandom is to feel emotion- especially when you win something.
The problem is you can't possibly understand this because you simply weren't there. You never are. So you have no frame of reference compared to those who do.
I wasn't there and was watching at home with my son.
It was fucking incredible, the whole run.
Oh yeah - I meant
Deuterz
. Most normal fans who couldn't be there in person enjoyed it immensely. But Deuterz is a different cat. He has no emotional connection to Tottenham so he just cannot possibly understand. Which is probably why he spends all his time in this thread raging at people for expressing/feeling something he simply cannot.
I think that analogy would work better if you said you managed to attract Angelina Jolie to your house and not smash.
I think it's just that this thread does weird things to normal people.Oh yeah - I meant
But Deuterz is a different cat. He has no emotional connection to Tottenham so he just cannot possibly understand. Which is probably why he spends all his time in this thread raging at people for expressing/feeling something he simply cannot.
I find myself liking and agreeing with a lot of
Deuterz
posts in other threads, we just don't seem to agree on the EL status, which is fine.
I think it's just that this thread does weird things to normal people.
I find myself liking and agreeing with a lot of
Could not agree with you more. Especially the bolded bit.
I do wish he'd just avoid this thread as it just makes him unhappy. In fact I can't understand why any Derangers come here. It's very odd behaviour.
I take your points : but
“ emotion v reality “ sums up the experience of supporting just about any sports-team ; especially ours . It’s what it’s all about in many ways .
Hell ; I’ve met people whose entire lives are a fine balancing act between “ emotion and reality “ ; They can be quite interesting if you get to know them ( at a distance ) ; but I wouldn’t recommend getting married to one.
There's some odd behaviour from both sides sometimes, to be honest but if it helps get this thread out up...
I think the last two lines of your post says a lot mate.
Nuance has to play a part, its subtle differences, i very much enjoyed winning the Europa League and love the competition when we're in it but I also understand the levels in football, if we are in the conference league I'd want us to win it too but not at the expense of our league position.
Winning a trophy shouldn't be a mask to hide the flaws of a manager or team when the league position is so bad.
It will never catch on
I completely agree and it's why, as much as I liked the bloke as a person, Ange had to go.
I'd have loved the fairytale of a third season being great but the reality was that it just wouldn't happen.
I appreciate the bloke for breaking our trophy drought but the league form was nowhere near good enough, even with the injuries and poor squad.
Like right now, I don't think our squad is as bad as it's been made to look by Frank and his soul-sapping football.
Hopefully De Zerbi can see us safe and then have a proper clear out and rebuild over the summer.