Because it's all they have
Just so fucking brazen. Why are they like this? It's so weird.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Just so fucking brazen. Why are they like this? It's so weird.
Exaclty. But they all keep coming here to pick fights with Spurs fans for the crime of not hating a manager that won a European trophy with us.
It's so weird but if they want a fight they will get it
Healthy debate Phomsey , healthy debate ;if nothing else it just sounds better. We aren’t AFTV ( the poor sods ) after all .
I already said in this thread that the first season was pretty good under Postecoglou, even though it was helped a lot in the first matches by excellent saves by Vicario, but overall it was pretty good and for that he wasn't nor did he deserve IMO to be sacked.So you're gonna ignore the first season because it doesn't align with your agenda and it destroys your argument, brilliant.
A disingenuous comparison at best and it's actually laughable that people such as yourself has the audacity to question those who speak favourably for Ange and yet here you are doing to same for Frank who was categorically worse than Ange.
Almost as funny as moaning about the club not winning trophies and then moving the goalposts of your argument when Ange wins us a trophy
I don't agree with anyone stating that he should have been sacked then.
Now onto the second season where he did deserve to be sacked for coming 17th, just as Frank did the league position he had the team in, around the same as Postecoglou, maybe 16th I can't remember exactly but thereabouts.
Frank didn't have a good first season like Postecoglou did in the league, so he was sacked during his first season, but all this low league positioning is either down to lots of injuries or it's not, it's irrational to make that excuse for one manager and not the other.
I can't quite fathom out what you're arguing against, when you bring up the first 10 matches... there's nothing there that I'm criticising regrading those results.
Can you please in very simply language explain where you disagree with this post?
Up until now your replies seem like yada yada ner ner ner, without having any substance.
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The Ange thread being a bigger topic than the Frank thread is actually deeply concerning
So why do you blame our relegation predicament on sacking Postecoglou, you keep stating the derangers got what they wanted, as if you think with Postecoglou we would be higher up the league now?
Because the problem is not and never has been "the manager" - it's been the injuries and our squad.
But replacing a manager who the squad loved with someone they didn't was really fucking stupid especially when you then sign fairly mediocre players rather than genuine e quality.
I've said all of this a million times but you people just won't listen. So forgive me I get a bit testy with people who are permanently wrong and never admit it - even when we're in the fucking relegation zone
But you don't have a post counting campaign in the Thomas Frank thread, in fact you have stated that since January you decided that Frank isn't the answer, so you blamed him, and then you said you came back to the forum thread based on that to bump it.
So you seem a tad confused, or you're telling fibs.
Both can be true of course, nothing really controversial in all that....he was at the helm when we won the first major trophy since Noah was a boy and he was also in charge of a terrible league campaign which in turn is responsible for the great debate over whether or not cup glory v league position determines if he remains in situ or not.
I respect the fact there are those on both sides of that divide however there is one thing that cannot be denied and that(much like Python's parrot) is he has departed for different ways never to return.
Problem is for some they cannot bring themselves to accept it therefore the only likely solution to their dilemma might be to fuck off with him.
As far as I can see there are, perhaps, 2 current posters who fall into that category. They are not the reason this thread is still going strong.
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Why? Frank was sold a pup; couldn't make it work and will now disappear without trace.
Postecoglou won a European Trophy in his second last game. He will always be remembered for that.
The question is how big will the De Zerbi thread get when he keeps us up then wins the lot in his first FULL season
They just can't see that because they just don't want to. It's fascinating behaviour.
12 pages to go.
On 24th January I returned to this thread for the first time in 5 months to post this:
First time I've posted in this thread since September.
Time to send out the Bat Signal?
Because I knew then that we were in deep shit and couldn't see any other way to get this group other than reminding them that used to be able to football. Another thing I've been proved right about. And something De Zerbi, too, thinks is the only thing that will save us.
As for Frank I've never blamed him. You're just making shit up. As usual.
What can I say Specsavers...Optic shop?
I think perhaps the lack of visual acuity explains your overstated bolded area
All participants (inc me) are keeping the thread going, that is not the issue. The subject matter is the thing that is no longer tangible as perfectly referenced by the 15 or so superlatives offered up in the 'Parrot' sketch.....here's another one thrown in to describe Ange's current tenure with THFC i.e. if he were a cake he'd be scone .
I don't believe you even know what you are typing in here half the time, it wasn't so long ago you made this post - I'm arguing against your initial bullshit you led with in this debate.
You seem to discount Ange's first season and want to only argue about his 2nd season, there's 0 comparison because Frank didn't even make it to a 2nd season because he was largely shit in his first season.
You're making a direct comparison between the two but you're being disingenuous at best.
IMO blaming the injury crises and not Postecoglou for the 17th position finish, is the same as blaming the injury crises and 16th (I think it was) position and not Frank.
So a rational argument could be made that Frank was as good as Postecoglou, IMO he was a bit worse but there is a rational argument that could exist regardless.
It seems all the excuses that were made for Postecoglou, Frank wasn't entitled to. Maddison and Kulusevski are probably the best two attacking players at the club.
Frank didn't win a trophy but the team was doing well in the Champions League, which is regarded as a tougher competition than the Europa League.
Seems like people want to make excuses for Postecoglou's league position but refuse to make the same excuses for Frank.
A mental health professional, could well find that deranged, and likeShadydan once said, Postecoglou has brainwashed the supporters, so I assume the supporters he was referring to includes you.
My visual acuity is fine, thanks, allowing for my advancing years and consequent decrepitude. The hyperbole is all yours.What can I say Specsavers...Optic shop?
I think perhaps the lack of visual acuity explains your overstated bolded area
All participants (inc me) are keeping the thread going, that is not the issue. The subject matter is the thing that is no longer tangible as perfectly referenced by the 15 or so superlatives offered up in the 'Parrot' sketch.....here's another one thrown in to describe Ange's current tenure with THFC i.e. if he were a cake he'd be scone .
There is no 'Ange's current tenure'. That is not the subject matter of this thread. There is no desire for a return to an Ange tenure, other than with, perhaps, 2 posters.
The subject of the thread is Ange's past tenure and, in light of events this season, whether we should re-evaluate that tenure. It is also, to some degree, being kept alive by those remembering the Europa win fondly. These are perfectly reasonable things to debate and post about.
You sure about your eyesight....or are you being deliberately obtuse. Besides your post being full of contradiction it is largely inaccurate i.e. if I may be so bold to say his ''current tenure' was explained (by me) as 'scone'.
To start by saying "there is no" then quickly follow with "other than" is indeed an indicative pointer towards decrepitude a fact borne out by the misuse of the term hyperbole.
The thread matter is there for all to see simply as it is titled in Ange Postecoglou no more no less, how it shapes up is inevitably influenced by post content so don't presume to tell me how I view or interpret what is posted....oh and have a bit more respect for your elders.
Actually I would argue that the injury crisis under Postecoglou was of a greater magnitude, than the (admittedly awful) one under Frank. At no point this season, for example, have we been forced to play our third choice keeper.
But if we even accept that injuries have been of a similar level this season to last, Frank's underlying metrics have still been demonstrably worse than Ange's.
It's been mentioned in this thread that Ange failed to beat our biggest rivals during his tenure. Well neither did Frank, but in the two games he managed against the blue scum and the Woolwich he managed XG of 0.5, and 0.7 respectively.
As disappointing as our performances were against both hives of villiany under Ange, they weren't anywhere near that bad.
And as has been pointed out ad infitum on this thread, when Ange had his first choice back line available his record was pretty decent. Tomas Frank however... not so much.
I'm not even arguing that Ange was a particularly spectacular manager here, by the way. Just that objectively, he was clearly miles better than Tomas Frank.
Yep, for nearly all my match going and pub watching football days we were pretty shit.
Iirc, we played our first game back in Europe on the night that my eldest son was born so I was stuck in the hospital, not allowed to watch or even listen on the radio.
Then of course, my next son came along 16 months later and that combined with a mortgage put an end to both my match going and pub going days.
I had other responsibilities that took up my time and money.
I've had to pretty much watch all of our European campaigns on the telly, in my front room but still love every minute of it.
I actually managed to get to the new stadium to watch the Copenhagen game this season, my first game probably since being a regular under Jol.
Then got to take my younger son to the Atleti second leg for his 18th birthday (his first ever Spurs game) both great games to be at, so at least on a selfish note I've managed to get a couple of good moments but if this shite season!
European football makes for great nights, no matter which competition you're in.
Not really because there was never a time under Frank, apart from maybe the first couple of games, where we ever looked like a competent team.
It's was the same shite tactic of give it to Kudus, or hope for a set piece or long throw.
Try not to concede but don't dare try to win.
Injuries aside, at least under Ange we played some good football at times.