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Player Lucas Bergvall
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With all three of Vuskovic, Gray and Bergvall if they do not want to stay, you loan them out and if you have to part pay the wage you do, the hope being when you come back up they have another year’s experience and you don’t have to shell out £200m to buy similar !
Of course our DoF is not quite as clever as all that
Of course our DoF is not quite as clever as all that
Brought in at our worst possible time unfortunately, imagine if we had our 2017 squad, these kids would be getting the best road to development.
Or you make them stay and build around them.
Loan is just lose/lose for our young players imo - you loan the high earners to get their wages off the books not the kids who are on relative peanuts. And so what if they want to leave? Aged 18-20 they're hardly gonna go on strike - they'll be absolutely gagging to play once the window closes.
Grealish was apparently gagging to leave Villa when we were sniffing. They forced him to stay, he got them promoted then they sold him for £100m. Sure it's his boyhood club but reports are he was in tears when the deal fell through.
You don't sell or loan your best young players when you go down imo - they're the ones that get you back up and either become your future or you sell for bigger money when clubs aren't trying to fuck you over with derisory bids.
Every player has an asking price but I wouldn't be selling Gray for less than 60m, Bergvall 70m, or 90, for Vuskovic. Not cos they're necessarily worth that much, but cos they're worth that much to us right now.
The only exception I can think of is if a player like Vuskovic signs a new deal on higher wages under the proviso that we loan him to Hamburg again to play with his brother. Still think we'd be better off keeping him around to get us promoted,though.
We keep De Zerbi and all the young players get a proper education as well. Older players won’t care so much but for the younger ones it sets up their future career.
Yes exactly. Gray and Bergvall are still learning their craft and would likely be bit-part players if we sold them to any decent PL sides. I know they're seen as our golden boys and both have had great spells, they're both far from the finished article and are a 2-3 years at least from being truly top class players imo.
While it's not glamorous, at Spurs in the Champ they'd get a great footballing education under De Zerbi and shitloads of consistent minutes.
Even Vuskovic is only 18. One year scrapping down in the mud in a phyisical league would do him no harm in the long run tbh. He can still easily have a decade plus at a super club given how young he's broken through.
That's definitely the silver lining if we get relegated.
My ideal scenario would be to see Gray, Bergvall, Vuskovic and Moore to play week in, week out alongside players like Maddison, Danso, Spence, Kulusevski (if fit) and Solanke (he has been getting bantered but a fit Solanke scores 30+ with us in the Championship).
You're giving the young players more responsibility but you're not making them do it on their own. The issue is that I'm almost certain that whoever ENIC has in charge will find a way of finding the worst possible outcome.
Bang on. Yeah the club have to be absolutely firm on that.
Probably doesnt trust him not to lose the ball in deep areas. He does it a lot further up the pitch!
DZ has got to try and get the best out of him though ASAP. Midfield is so fucked it is paramount he gets a tune out of him. May even be what decides things.
Yep. This is what we will have to do. Could even end up being massively beneficial to us in the long run if we come straight back up.
We only have two DM’s Palhinha and Bissouma. Playing players out of position is why England are often so shit. Sadly for balance which is the most important thing right now we might have to play one of them to make the system work.
Balance means Palhinha/Bissouma-Gray/Bergvall-Xavi/Gallagher. A 6/8/10.
Bissouma is probably the only CM we have who can make De Zerbi's system tick but he's a flaky fuckwit with one foot out of the door. Even if he does come in to the side and is able to receive the ball in midfield, I'd fully expect him to give away a goal before long cos he over plays of doesn't concentrate.
I also just struggle to see De Zerbi using him unless he's committed in training, which I doubt he is. Last player you want to be relying on in a relegation battle.
I'm sorry but that's a pathetic take on this...
If anyone of them aren't willing to play for us for a year in the Champo (not that they have a great deal of scope to refuse) then like fuck should we be bringing them back to play in the Prem off the back of someone else's hard work!
I'd be embarrassed if the club made that kind of concession to any player, let alone a bunch of teenagers.
This is all getting a bit silly and posters are jumping far too far.
The club won't be forced to do too much in the short-term other than to consider if there are certain players who can be released, and for sure, some players deemed surplus to requirements. My own take is that I will number 10 to 12 players.
Beyond that, it's down to De Zerbi and whoever sits above him, but the club are not going to just let players they would likely want to keep in the event of a swift return.
It's also important to recognise that a Championship midfield of Gray and Bergvall won't stand the test. Not a chance. Vuskovic might be slightly different in that it might be prudent to loan him out again, but who can be sure.
If we get relegated, and even if we stay up the squad needs serious reshaping but it's not going to mean we sell youthful promise even if they come asking, and we would just stick crazy prices on their heads.
If we were in the Championship im 2027/28, then it might be a very different story, but if we can't get straight back into the PL, then frankly the club needs to be sectioned.
I thought it was stupid to loan him out this season after his long-awaited arrival, to do so again next season would be madness, regardless of what division we're playing in.
Kid won't ever fel like a Tottenham player at this rate!
We rarely do.
100%. Sell a few players, look at the money they made from the Champions League this season as a cushion to soften the blow a bit but there's no need at all to go mad.
We need the strongest team and squad in the Championship if we're to go back up. Play stupid games and we'll find ourselves deep in shit if we fail to go straight back up.
He's no right at his age and consistency to consider himself above playing in the champo.
Some part of that decision making process needs to really strongly consider robustness of the players too, doesn't matter how much ability a player has, if they struggled to cope with the physical demands of the Prem then they'll be absolutely destroyed by the Championship.
On the other hand, there also needs to be a huge inquest into why we are suffering the amount of injuries we are, and why they are taking so long to come back from, before we go making such decisions on players.