We probably shouldn’t assume.
However, I will die on the hill that says we are worse this season than last.
And any argument otherwise will be moot when we end up relegated and not win a European Trophy. Even though it should be moot already.
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However, I will die on the hill that says we are worse this season than last.
And any argument otherwise will be moot when we end up relegated and not win a European Trophy. Even though it should be moot already.
It's moot already. Frank's predictable failure and inept football was an order of magnitude worse than anything Ange was associated with... you'll have to excuse CJJ. He has massive hard on for Frank. Ask him about points after 32 games. This was one of his go to metrics until it wasn't.
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We had 11 wins on the board this time last year.
If we had 11 wins this year we'd be safe.
But we don't so we're not.
Do you ever get tired of being completely wrong?
Well GKs we've gone from Vic Forster Kinsky Austin Whiteman to Vic Kinsky Austin. Less depth but no real noticeable difference.
CBs the same group. Romero will have missed 15 league games this season injury + suspensions which was the same as injuries last season. VDV less than last season. Dragusin was out until Christmas but balances out with Danso only being available from Jan the year before so the same set of players but maybe slightly stronger in terms of availability.
Fullbacks was the same trio except for Souza arriving in Feb instead of a season with Reguilon. Probably weaker.
CM is probably stronger, same group of players but with Palhinha plus Gallagher joining in Jan although Biss has been injured most of the season.
Attacking mid we went from Maddison and Kulusevski to Xavi who has been dreadful in the league. Significantly weaker there.
Wingers we went from Johnson, Son, Moore, Werner, Odobert and Tel (from January) to Johnson (until sold in January), RKM, Tel, Kudus (injured from Jan) and Odobert (ACL). Weaker on the wings.
Up top we've gone from a half-injured Richy and Solanke to a Richy and half-injured Solanke.
Our top 5 attacking contributions last season:
Johnson 25 G/A - SOLD
Solanke 24 G/A - Injured first half of season
Maddison 23 G/A - Injured full season
Son 23 G/A - SOLD
Kulusevski 21 G/A - Injured full season
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Frank's record in the CL was, at the very least, equal to that of Postecoglou in the EL. Only real difference between the two is that one was given a reprieve and opportunity to see how it went in lieu of a terrible league, only saved by the fact that 3 teams were woeful. The european trophy is completely independent of any other measure and it's tiring how it keeps being dragged out as some kind of trump card to explain why we've been shit for over two seasons solid.
(That isn't a support of Frank - it's just the dichotomy.)
It's equally a juxtaposition to see the wave of people seeing the sacking of Postecoglou as some sort of err, and the poor season being justification that he should have kept on.
Oddly, the fact we've had 1 point from the last 6 PL matches now and dropping like a stone is used as condemnation of Frank, instead of the same rhetoric of using it to prove it wasn't the manager, he should have been kept, mistake to sack him etc.
The conclusion should be that both were awful and both share equal responsibility for the status quo. There's not a sensible form of logic that puts last season and the man in change as completely free of blame for the state the club is in.
So we’re in a world where Reggie is being counted last season for his single appearance above 45 minutes? Behave.
Attacking mid is weaker, granted, but I’d suggest that’s more on the manager not getting the best out of his 35 cap, £60m signing. But, yes, Maddison and Kulu being unavailable does weaken that area.
In fact, before I go any further, you are saying all this with the benefit of hindsight (just got to Kudus being injured). That’s not how this game is played. At the start of this season, Frank had a stronger squad than was available the season before. What then transpired shouldn’t affect that argument.
Bayern have a really strong squad, but if they all get injured the day before the CL semi, that doesn’t all of a sudden mean they didn’t have a strong squad this season. No real point in debating when we are coming from such different viewpoints on when the strength was being shown.
I was in Manchester that weekend. Not at the football mind. I did try to put a bet on Spurs winning the Prem after we beat them. The rather foresighted girl behind the counter could only offer odds on us winning league one though. I declined the bet. Should have taken it up I reckon!
There’s really no point in us doing this, is there?
Well yes, your comment about Romero, VDV and Vic being out was also hindsight but wouldn't have made sense to just assume they were all available when they werent.
Fair point.
The football was garbage, his tactics were garbage, he completely destroyed the players confidence and theirs in him, There isn't a single positive thing I have to say about his time with us.
The team's mentality was obliterated before he arrived.
Destructive losing habit ingrained and set.
Shining the spotlight on Frank for the sins of Ange is not going to wash, folks.
Sorry.
He was handed a wreck.
No one is forgetting last season and the damage it caused.
Which some of us warned about.
Inevitable consequence.
Destructive losing habit ingrained and set.
Shining the spotlight on Frank for the sins of Ange is not going to wash, folks.
Sorry.
He was handed a wreck.
No one is forgetting last season and the damage it caused.
Which some of us warned about.
Inevitable consequence.
Just. Stop.
Telling the truth?
I don't remember hearing anything about losing mentality when we were sitting in 3rd around October time?
I remember Justin Cochrane making an X post during that first international break (now deleted) and everyone was loving it in the comments! I think we got killed after all their tactics/coaching started to get implemented into the team properly.
Deep rooted habit resurfacing.
Lack of final third unable to compensate.
If we do go down we at least get a chance to uproot it and rebuild the character of the team.
If we somehow manage to stay up we will have to give RDZ a full season (at least imo) to work it out of the players' system properly.
Hopefully he's the right surgeon.
Simons is an adequate replacement for Maddison and Kulusevski combined? Also Solanke was out for a good chunk of the season. Wow, just wow.
Frank was useless yes, but you really are full of cack. No Vicario? The general opinion on the forum is he's shit, Romero FFS one of the biggest issues with the team, and VdV is a sulky little bitch who can run fast. The quicker those three cunts are out of the club the better.
I'd prefer Davies and Gray in defence. All we need to do is not keep charging forward like hot heated berserker cunts, and they're both adequate. These cunts have been shit most of the season and I don't think it's reasonable to blame Frank for that. They have a duty to play well for the paying supporters and they haven't, nor did they turn up for Tudor. The team didn't improve when they cam back from injury last season, the losing continued.
I'm all for the club shouldn't have hired Frank, but your 'analysis' is complete and utter shit. They turned up for the closing rounds of the Europa League, that's it. Nottingham Forest are in the semi finals and they're hovering slightly above the relegation zone too.
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