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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.7%
  • Total voters
    112
GinolasLeftFoot said:
The revisionism is insane.

It's was a horrible nasty toxic shit show every week.

It's why there is no point debating with people like you.

You live in a made up bs alternative reality.
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You do you.

If I gave 1000 people these two choices right now the 1st May I think more would take the first option than the second.

A/ Guaranteed Europa league trophy and a 17th placed finish. No chance of relegation at all. You will stay up.
Or
B/ no trophy at all and a 75% chance you will be relegated.

What type of individual says “Option B please”????
 
Shadydan said:
And by not doing that landed him the Bayern job, funny how football works out sometimes.
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It is. It was a strange appointment at the time. But does show if you’ve got a theory that is supported by the very best players, you will succeed. I do t think for one second that he’s a “better” manager than Ange. Just got his opportunity due to his theory, his playing career and his closeness to Pep.
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
Good managers develop football teams and are able to get their ideas across, regardless of style, and can adapt to circumstances beyond their control.

Ange is a bad manager as he wasn't able to get his ideas across, the team regressed to point where we couldn't string passes together, got the most losses in a season in our entire history, and refused/couldn't adapt circumstances beyond his control.
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Haha what?
 
Micky Bubbles said:
It was more his reputation as a player - they wouldn't have even looked at some unkown Burnley manager playing the same style - that proves the point imv
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Yeah massive clubs like Bayern aren't hiring managers on the back of their reputation as a player mate, although I think working with Pep did help him seal the job (Pep gave him a very good reference before they hired him)

Initially though they would be more interested in what he did at Burnley, specifically the season he got them promoted and the kind of football he played and his management style.
 
WillWilliams said:
You do you.

If I gave 1000 people these two choices right now the 1st May I think more would take the first option than the second.

A/ Guaranteed Europa league trophy and a 17th placed finish. No chance of relegation at all. You will stay up.
Or
B/ no trophy at all and a 75% chance you will be relegated.

What type of individual says “Option B please”????
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This post alone shows why we should get relegated.

Because fans like you deserve the suffering.

"I want the bloke back that regressed our football, finished 17th playing some of the shittiest, most embarrassing football in my life."

Me, I want option C, a capable manager who can develop and progress the squad... Which it seems we might have, albeit, too little too late imo.

We are one of the biggest clubs in the world, and your fucking scrapping the bottom of the barrel for a cunt that finished 17th...
 
Shadydan said:
Not necessarily, countless examples of players signing for teams not in the CL, look at Utd last Summer for example, look at City when they signed Toure and Silva etc...look at the amount of players moving to bottom to mid tier teams in the Premier League from CL clubs from other countries.

Players are likely to buy into projects and potential however money normally talks.
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Well yes very good players can be signed without a club being in the Champions League, but why would a top player choose to sign for Spurs over Liverpool, City et al.....? The only thing we would have to bargain with is being in the Champions League already, which lifts our profile.

I suspect Postecoglou would have got a couple of players that he would like, if he'd have had a better league season and wasn't sacked. Which was the point I was making to another poster about being in the Champions League.
 
McCOYS said:
Well yes very good players can be signed without a club being in the Champions League, but why would a top player choose to sign for Spurs over Liverpool, City et al.....? The only thing we would have to bargain with is being in the Champions League already, which lifts our profile.

I suspect Postecoglou would have got a couple of players that he would like, if he'd have had a better league season and wasn't sacked. Which was the point I was making to another poster about being in the Champions League.
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Well a top player wouldn't sign for us over those two teams regardless of anything so that's moot.

THE point was that Ange would have needed CL football to attract top players and that wouldn't be the case if your offer them enough money without the pull of CL footy.
 
LeeMcl said:
I agree with you. But the wider narrative that sustains Ange is that he prioritised, which again I don’t think is true
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TBH, I think the point is mute regardless of whether he prioritised or not is irrelevant.

The team regressed to a point, that we literally couldn't play football.

In the final, we relied more on ManU not being able to score, than anything we did, we was completely ineffective against ManU.

Not because we prioritised anything...

If anything, we got to a point that we was so shit in the league, the priority change might have been forced, rather than conscious stroke of genius.
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
This post alone shows why we should get relegated.

Because fans like you deserve the suffering.

"I want the bloke back that regressed our football, finished 17th playing some of the shittiest, most embarrassing football in my life."

Me, I want option C, a capable manager who can develop and progress the squad... Which it seems we might have, albeit, too little too late imo.

We are one of the biggest clubs in the world, and your fucking scrapping the bottom of the barrel for a cunt that finished 17th...
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That’s your problem you fruit loop.
There’s no option C.

I’m offering you two options A or B.

Choose one.
Don’t make your own fucking one up. That’s not how this works.
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
This post alone shows why we should get relegated.

Because fans like you deserve the suffering.

"I want the bloke back that regressed our football, finished 17th playing some of the shittiest, most embarrassing football in my life."

Me, I want option C, a capable manager who can develop and progress the squad... Which it seems we might have, albeit, too little too late imo.

We are one of the biggest clubs in the world, and your fucking scrapping the bottom of the barrel for a cunt that finished 17th...
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It's a false dilemma because if Ange had been retained after the Europa final then Frank would have remained at Brentford or been hired elsewhere, Ange would have been sacked early in the season for us instead of failing at Forest, we'd have had an interim as RDZ was unavailable and our situation this year is probably no different. We'd have gone from one poor manager to another waiting for RDZ just as we did in fact.

We were no better last year but we were safe due to the presence of Leicester in the table, and at this point in time I don't think keeping or sacking Ange would have made too much difference in our present circumstances. Keeping a poor manager or hiring a different poor manager, neither has us near our hopes and both have us near relegation with these players.
 
Jenderbazzfass said:
It's a false dilemma because if Ange had been retained after the Europa final then Frank would have remained at Brentford or been hired elsewhere, Ange would have been sacked early in the season for us instead of failing at Forest, we'd have had an interim as RDZ was unavailable and our situation this year is probably no different. We'd have gone from one poor manager to another waiting for RDZ just as we did in fact.

We were no better last year but we were safe due to the presence of Leicester in the table, and at this point in time I don't think keeping or sacking Ange would have made too much difference in our present circumstances. Keeping a poor manager or hiring a different poor manager, neither has us near our hopes and both have us near relegation with these players.
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Sacking Ange wasn't the problem. It was Levy's piss poor selection process again.

Another flip flop.
 
WillWilliams said:
That’s your problem you fruit loop.
There’s no option C.

I’m offering you two options A or B.

Choose one.
Don’t make your own fucking one up. That’s not how this works.
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I'm the fruit loop, because I don't want anything to do with a manager that finished 17th, refused to adapt to an injury crisis, regressed our football to a point we couldn't string more than two passes together, got a record number of losses in a season, and created a toxic atmosphere with the fans.

And you are fecking pathetic, trying to get someone to choose between two steaming piles of shit, just so that you can tongue punch one of them, just to cry told you so, whilst completely missing that point that Ange should have been sacked, and Cunt Levy, should have done a better with following appointment, instead of getting someone who clearly wasn't a good fit for the club.

The fact that your brain can't process this simple concept, just highlights how far the intelligence of the average football fan has fallen.
 
Shadydan said:
Well a top player wouldn't sign for us over those two teams regardless of anything so that's moot.

THE point was that Ange would have needed CL football to attract top players and that wouldn't be the case if your offer them enough money without the pull of CL footy.
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I hope you're not going to claim that I have dragged you into this pointless conversation like you do.

All I'm saying is being in the Champions League is a positive thing with regards to attracting better players to the club. Postecloglou said it himself, that he didn't want to sign players that were only after Champions League football, rather players that wanted to play for the club regardless. So either he's full of shit, or there are players that find Champions League football a reason to sign for a club.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tottenham: Ange Postecoglou not interested in players seeking only Champions League football

Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou says he is not interested in signing players who are only keen to join the club if they qualify for the Champions League.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
Sacking Ange wasn't the problem. It was Levy's piss poor selection process again.

Another flip flop.
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That's the point of it all, you're only better off sacking a poor manager if you hire one that isn't poor.

Since we cocked that up it leaves dimwits claiming "We are no better off, we should have kept him". No you swellhead, then we're just as shit as we are now. We should have hired someone who wasn't useless. That was the error.
 
McCOYS said:
I hope you're not going to claim that I have dragged you into this pointless conversation like you do.

All I'm saying is being in the Champions League is a positive thing with regards to attracting better players to the club. Postecloglou said it himself, that he didn't want to sign players that were only after Champions League football, rather players that wanted to play for the club regardless. So either he's full of shit, or there are players that find Champions League football a reason to sign for a club.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tottenham: Ange Postecoglou not interested in players seeking only Champions League football

Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou says he is not interested in signing players who are only keen to join the club if they qualify for the Champions League.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Yeah but it's not the be all and end all like you said before.

We actually had one of our best windows in recent times without CL football, not that it's saying much because most of our windows have been poor.

CL isn't swinging it alone if you want to attract top players to our club, that's always been the case at Spurs.
 
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