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We need a better striker but finding one is very tough.
 
Also, our players aren't as bad as some on this board may have thought a few weeks back. We're a bit shite up-front for sure, but elsewhere we are for sure a top 6 squad IF we have a good coach
I think that's a bit of a stretch. How many of our players would hold down starting positions in another top 6 side?
Romero
VDV
Possibly Simons and a fit Maddison

After that I'd be struggling.
 
I meant to register years ago .. anyway, first post. It's probably a bit off the wall, see what you think.
What I find interesting in the solution RdZ has come up with in midfield is that he's consciously chosen to go with one set over another. The set he's chosen is 'fathers' (Bentancur, Palhinha, Biss (subbed on) + mature Gallagher) and the set on the bench is 'sons' (Gray, Bergvall, Sarr). I thought about that because, as mad as he is in some ways, I see the traditional, Italian, Catholic father in RdZ. Fwiw, I go to Italy most summers so it's fresh in my head.
He also talked about it before: "Roberto De Zerbi believes he will have to be a brother or father rather than a head coach if he is to pull Tottenham from their relegation battle".
It obv. only goes so far when the players available are so limited but it seems to hold up. Psychologically, it's an important time for emotional maturity and life experience.
Thought I'd mention it because Jack whatsit-Pitt talks a bit about it in that new article but he didn't see RdZ's personal Catholic/father/maturity angle.
Just thought it was worth a mention. Cheers.
 
I meant to register years ago .. anyway, first post. It's probably a bit off the wall, see what you think.
What I find interesting in the solution RdZ has come up with in midfield is that he's consciously chosen to go with one set over another. The set he's chosen is 'fathers' (Bentancur, Palhinha, Biss (subbed on) + mature Gallagher) and the set on the bench is 'sons' (Gray, Bergvall, Sarr). I thought about that because, as mad as he is in some ways, I see the traditional, Italian, Catholic father in RdZ. Fwiw, I go to Italy most summers so it's fresh in my head.
He also talked about it before: "Roberto De Zerbi believes he will have to be a brother or father rather than a head coach if he is to pull Tottenham from their relegation battle".
It obv. only goes so far when the players available are so limited but it seems to hold up. Psychologically, it's an important time for emotional maturity and life experience.
Thought I'd mention it because Jack whatsit-Pitt talks a bit about it in that new article but he didn't see RdZ's personal Catholic/father/maturity angle.
Just thought it was worth a mention. Cheers.
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I meant to register years ago .. anyway, first post. It's probably a bit off the wall, see what you think.
What I find interesting in the solution RdZ has come up with in midfield is that he's consciously chosen to go with one set over another. The set he's chosen is 'fathers' (Bentancur, Palhinha, Biss (subbed on) + mature Gallagher) and the set on the bench is 'sons' (Gray, Bergvall, Sarr). I thought about that because, as mad as he is in some ways, I see the traditional, Italian, Catholic father in RdZ. Fwiw, I go to Italy most summers so it's fresh in my head.
He also talked about it before: "Roberto De Zerbi believes he will have to be a brother or father rather than a head coach if he is to pull Tottenham from their relegation battle".
It obv. only goes so far when the players available are so limited but it seems to hold up. Psychologically, it's an important time for emotional maturity and life experience.
Thought I'd mention it because Jack whatsit-Pitt talks a bit about it in that new article but he didn't see RdZ's personal Catholic/father/maturity angle.
Just thought it was worth a mention. Cheers.

Hadn't thought about religion etc lol but yes, absolutely expected him to trust in the experienced players
 
I think that's a bit of a stretch. How many of our players would hold down starting positions in another top 6 side?
Romero
VDV
Possibly Simons and a fit Maddison

After that I'd be struggling.
Well, Gallagher was Chelsea captain when they were top 6, so I'd include him.

And if the answer is (say) 4 or 5 of our players would, then it's not that disastrous. Yes, we are miles off Woolwich and Man City, but not miles off the rest of the dogshit in the league.
 
I switch back and forth on this. On paper, a squad full of internationals on very good money, that could play for clubs around and above our stature, yet we find ourselves wallowing.

I’m not going to lay the entire blame at Frank, as these players have agency to still try and look interested.

But I’m already seeing this place creaking. A couple of good matches and you know, Porro might be ok. Bentancur has been the difference. Spence just needs an arm round the shoulder. Danso could be a great first choice.

Not sure I can forgive the players for this season, but I can see the forum making that journey already.

But yes, I agree, this is a top six squad. Expensively assembled, well paid and well looked after. But been badly coached for a couple of years. Do we forgive their lethargy and attitude because the right man wasn’t in charge? Dunno.
I've said Top 6 if we improved the attack. People (and clubs) underestimate the difference a competent coach makes. It's massive. Even Ange finished 5th ffs! I don't think saying Top 6 with RDZ and a proper no9 is that big a deal. There are currently two good teams in the PL. Look at Man U. Utter shite for 18 months until three months ago. Change in coach, and top 6.

I get what you're saying about not forgiving them. I think we need to sweep out some shite in the summer. I'd bin Vicario, Romero and Bissouma for starters. I think a change in culture from getting shot of these players, maybe one or two more, replacing with RDZ hires, could have a huge impact,
 
I switch back and forth on this. On paper, a squad full of internationals on very good money, that could play for clubs around and above our stature, yet we find ourselves wallowing.

I’m not going to lay the entire blame at Frank, as these players have agency to still try and look interested.

But I’m already seeing this place creaking. A couple of good matches and you know, Porro might be ok. Bentancur has been the difference. Spence just needs an arm round the shoulder. Danso could be a great first choice.

Not sure I can forgive the players for this season, but I can see the forum making that journey already.

But yes, I agree, this is a top six squad. Expensively assembled, well paid and well looked after. But been badly coached for a couple of years. Do we forgive their lethargy and attitude because the right man wasn’t in charge? Dunno.
Put it in your own perspective. You have a job with a manager you respect, makes you believe in yourself and with colleagues who you enjoy working with and inspire you.

Then you start seeing those colleagues you looked up to move on, a different manager comes in to show you a different way to do your job, which you don't really enjoy, but appears to be a good way at first. So you persevere taking your enjoyment out of the results rather than the process.

Then the results start to fall off, you get apprentices in to replace the skilled and experienced workers, so results continue to get worse.

Suddenly, you've had any joy in your work taken away, because you don't like the process, and you can't even find solace in the results. You can't just quit, as you're locked into a contract then, finally, the manager gets binned off, as he's overseen the decline, and you get another one in, only this one's just as bad.

Are you going to keep producing at your best level in that kind of environment?

Then they bring in another manager. You're already jaded and you're thinking "here we go again, when's my contract up?" But this manager brings back the process that you enjoyed and made your job a thing to be enjoyed. You're still jaded, but you pay attention. He proves to be as good as his word and, suddenly, you start enjoying your job again and, lo & behold, your level goes up again.

I've been there, I doubt there's anyone on here who hasn't. I've been paid a lot of money in jobs that I hated, because the managers were absolute tossers, and my levels dropped like a stone. But the next manager I worked for was superb and my levels went through the roof, because he made my job enjoyable again. 8 years I worked for that man and, when he moved in, I did the same shortly after because, you guessed it, the next one was a tosser.

Money doesn't inspire you, not after you've got used to it. People inspire, ideals inspire, making the place you work hard to leave rather than hard to stay will do far more than a fat paycheck.

Our players have had the inspiration leached out of them over the last few years because of piss poor management, right from the coach up to the boardroom. Of course their levels are going to drop.

They now have someone inspiring them to be better and to enjoy their Football again by playing it the right way. Hence why they've improved more in 4 weeks than they've done in 2 seasons.
 
I meant to register years ago .. anyway, first post. It's probably a bit off the wall, see what you think.
What I find interesting in the solution RdZ has come up with in midfield is that he's consciously chosen to go with one set over another. The set he's chosen is 'fathers' (Bentancur, Palhinha, Biss (subbed on) + mature Gallagher) and the set on the bench is 'sons' (Gray, Bergvall, Sarr). I thought about that because, as mad as he is in some ways, I see the traditional, Italian, Catholic father in RdZ. Fwiw, I go to Italy most summers so it's fresh in my head.
He also talked about it before: "Roberto De Zerbi believes he will have to be a brother or father rather than a head coach if he is to pull Tottenham from their relegation battle".
It obv. only goes so far when the players available are so limited but it seems to hold up. Psychologically, it's an important time for emotional maturity and life experience.
Thought I'd mention it because Jack whatsit-Pitt talks a bit about it in that new article but he didn't see RdZ's personal Catholic/father/maturity angle.
Just thought it was worth a mention. Cheers.
Nice opening post Bruv, it's an interesting viewpoint.
 

We should keep him if we can, sell Romero and bring in Vuskovic.

Sell Romero, Vicario, Spence, Udogie and Dragusin from the backline and replace with new GK, a backup CB, new LB and backup RB, should still leave a healthy bit of cash to spend on improving further up the pitch which needs major investment, especially the attackers.

We might be able to get around 120m for the 5 we should shift out. 50, 20, 20, 20, 10, anything extra is a bonus with that lot.
 
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We should keep him if we can, sell Romero and bring in Vuskovic.

Sell Romero, Vicario, Spence, Udogie and Dragusin from the backline and replace with new GK, a backup CB, new LB and backup RB, should still leave a healthy bit of cash to spend on improving further up the pitch which needs major investment, especially the attackers.

We might be able to get around 120m for the 5 we should shift out. 50, 20, 20, 20, 10, anything extra is a bonus with that lot.
Like most of those, although I'm fairly certain RDZ will want to keep Udogie if we stay up - he's spoken highly of him and seems to like him. Regardless we 100% need a new LB regardless as he's made of biscuits.
 
Would be crazy to sell Udogie & Spence. With RDZ coaching both could become key. But moreover we should look to sign players ahead of them meaning they’re back ups (more than they have have been).
 
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