-
The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
Player Antonín Kinský
- Thread starter The Fighting Cock
- Start date
Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports
Agreed.
There's no point buying young talent if we're never going to give them a proper chance and I'd say that Kinsky has not only earned his, he deserves it now.
Make him the No.1 and buy an experienced, home grown, older back up.
Vic can flap himself back to Italy.
Massive credit to the guy. Outstanding yesterday.
If we go down, we'll probably bemoan Danso not clearing against Brighton, or Tel kung-fu kicking Ampadu, but if we stay up we'll surely highlight Kinksy's saves yesterday.
If we go down, we'll probably bemoan Danso not clearing against Brighton, or Tel kung-fu kicking Ampadu, but if we stay up we'll surely highlight Kinksy's saves yesterday.
What narrative? I'm talking about what I think the club will do under both possible circumstances. Either way Vic is going to be sold. If we go down that money won't be reinvested in players that's for sure so Kinski will absolutely start and will absolutely be good enough too.
That equation changes if we stay up. Don't change his talent through.
Not weird at all. The improvement in the defence since Vicario was removed from the team has been remarkable.
That’s not even talking about Kinksy’s superior distribution and the fact he’s capable of pulling off saves every bit as good as the clown. Nor about how many goals we concede. It’s the fact our defence and team is so much calmer. It’s night and day. With the added benefit Kinksy doesn’t berate teammates for his mistakes.
We had two years of some people gaslighting us that vicario was actually a quality keeper. It’s been obvious for so so long that Vicario was a huge contributor to the team being so so shit. Yet he was never dropped.
The bigger question though, is why has it taken a forced injury for the club to remove him from the team. It makes you wonder what the fuck is going on at the club if yet again fans can see a massive issue with Vicario being in the team yet the club persists with him regardless. It’s been obvious since Ange’s first season that Vicario wasn’t just a poor keeper, but he was actively helping the team lose games. But a few good saves made some fans think he was actually decent.
I was generally on about you saying where are the Vicario fans now as if there's exclusively fans of Vic, that's all.
Anyway it seems all it took was for Kinsky to get a run but let's be real he was hardly convincing before. Vic has been shit this season but lets not act as if Kinsky was some sort of world beater sitting on the bench waiting for his chance because he wasn't, he wasn't a better keeper than Vic and only a Vic injury has forced this change - it seems now Kinsky has got some confidence which is what he needed.
Sometimes you have to put your ego aside and admit you was wrong. For you this is one of those times. We've all been there mate no shame in it but Kinsky is a good keeper.
He has overtaken Vicario in every metric bar shouting at the defence.
He always had the potential to overtake Vic. He shone on his debut and then suffered a bit with everyone else.
Then Madrid happened and we wondered how he would come back.
But come back he has and in style.
He's calm. He makes good choices. He has a range of passing and last night (along with at Wolves) proved he's more than a capable shot stopper.
He'll make some more gaffes in his career - he's a GK -but he's been exemplary since he's come in.
Vic should be nowhere near the conversation now and that's down to Kinsky.
He's without a doubt our #1 in the Championship and I'd be happy to give him that mantle if we stay up too. He has proved there are far bigger issues to address.
Would be very happy to do that.
And clearly Kinsky is much better than I thought he was. So I was wrong and pleased to be
And yes there is always confirmation bias.
But- hype is hype. Did he actually touch the ball or did it hit the post. And then hit his hand?
He saved that first one.
Hardly convincing before? That isn't fair at all. He had no chances bar the odd appearance and was hardly worse than what Vicario has displayed for us consistently for years, yet Vic retained full faith no matter what.
It's been beyond obvious that Vicario is woefully out of his depth and was a directcause of many of our issues throughout the team. From his appalling kicking, to his nervousness and erractic nature. Gary Neville called out early in his first season and said, I don't like him, he's too nervous. That's coming from a defender who knows a thing or two about how keepers affect a defence, both positively and negatively. Vic hasn't changed since then. Let's not forget how he gets bullied at set pieces, his constant mistakes, and his awful bullying personality.
I think just saying Kinksy has got some confidence is doing him a disservice. He's a better goalkeeper in pretty much every department, it's obvious. It's not just confidence.
Why the fuck have the club persisted with Vic for so long? I just don't understand it. Not only did they decide not to get rid of him in multiple windows, they refused to give Kinksy a chance, when personally I don't see how it could have possibly got any worse than Vic. If it's broken, why not try to fix it by trying something else?
I am struggling to think of a worse first choice number 1 than Vicario, that we've had in the PL era. I'd probably have Gomes over him, though he'd go from the sublime to the ridiculous at least he wasn't a prick. Robinson and Freidal etc were miles better, even just because they at least gave some authority and presence to the defence.
If we had Kinksy all season, we wouldn't be 17th, that's how bad Vicario is.
He’s does look ability wise better than Vic but the club probably thought experience and also that Vic was our number one so kept it as it is.
Are you talking about the Long staff shot that hit the bar? That was a World class save. Long staff has hit it hard and high. In that split second, Kinsky has reacted to push it onto the bar, fantastic save.
Couple that with the header in the first half, where he's had to reach behind himself to stop it crossing the line, another World class save, and you have a performance that should have earned him a MOTM performance. Without a doubt, Kinsky was the reason we came away with a point rather than none.
He even went the right way for the penalty, but there's not a keeper on Earth was saving that.
Absolute top class performance.
It's totally fair, the last game he played was Atletico and we know what happened there, the game before that was Newcastle and he made a mistake for their winner as he was slow to collect a cross.
He played in a couple of matches last season and was letting in easy goals, Villa in the FA cup, Trossard's goal in the NLD, Im sure there was more.
You're arguing in hindsight.
And let's not try and re-write history on Vic, this season he's been shit granted, season before he was good up until his injury, came back in the team and was dodgy but still making routine good saves...certainly he wasn't enough for Kinsky to be given a chance anyway because Kinsky clearly wasn't ready last season anyway.
It's what it is, sometimes it takes moments like Vic's injury for Kinsky to get a break and we just need to be thankful he's taken it with noth hands (excuse pun)
Charlie F is trying to downplay the first half save from the header.
Reckons the post saved it cos he can't just give praise to Kinsky. Has to dilute it somewhat.
Kinsky was pretty much flawless last night. Can't even criticise his passing as they didn't stick to our players cos they've all forgotten how to control a football.
Think we'd be down if it wasn't for Vicario's surgery tbh.
It's always been the case with goalkeepers that people are regularly dumb as fuck about.
You don't sit on the bench all season, play 1 game, and hit the ground running. People always judge a cameo appearance as if that's their game, but you need a good run in a side to be on form - you have to have a symbiosis with the defence, and you don't get that in 1 game
First save is G Banks 70 stuff
It is great to see the young man come back like this