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It's more an issue of how much can we get done in one window. There is a lot of furniture to move.
I’ve just had a follow up:I dont belive a word of it despite what his glee club think most fans here think he is a joke. He will not move to an English club but Id drive him to Manchester if it was on.
OMFG.
IF (again massive IF) we sign Wilson then he would exactly be that kind of player with whom there would be no remorse at all when he plays 200 minutes.
But the moment you sign two starting quality players - say Marmoush and Savinho mentioned by someone else - it will be game over for Tel and Odobert for good with us, it is guaranteed.
I am literally describing option that would give Tel and Odobert more chance to succeed, but you just keep repeating how Wilson would block their path. When actually it is 180 degrees opposite.
Is anyone else getting PTSD flashbacks whenever we’re linked with this Bahoya guy? Another young winger from France…
After Njie, Nkoudou, Odobert, and Tel, I’m already scared at the thought of us going for him.
Has his end product been really poor though?
I think when he was counted on and given a clear run of games he performed very well - was positive, made things happen, showed good 1v1 ability and scored an important golazo. He was our primary goal threat (not saying much obviously) and he outperformed Kolo Muani - who is 5 years more experienced, has played in a WC final etc…
Statistically I think he performs quite well compared to other U-21 inside forwards / wingers. He strikes the ball beautifully and will be dangerous coming off the left. So much to like about him. I don't get the extreme negativity by some.
Similarly I was very high on Odobert when he was shifted to the right side, just before his knee exploded![]()
£80m lmao
Market has gone even crazier this Summer.
Get Hackney in and in a year he's gonna be worth £60m seeing how silly this market is.
Wouldn't mind Alex Scott although I'd prefer Manzambis offensive output. Scored some screamer this year to really decide games, e.g. the Europa League semi final. A real game winner at the age of 20 being able to play at 6, 8, false 9 or even on the wings. Impressed nearly every time I see him. No coincidence he is linked with Real and Man United. Really interested how he will do at the World Cup.Looks decent TBF
40-50 mill??.....I'd rather pay an extra 20 for Scott though. PL proven, very talented, Tottenham fan, he can be our main midfield general for the next 5-7 years
Yes.
Knowing what sits in De Zerbi's mind is probably the bit that makes views, more or less on-point in many respects.
You are expressing a preference in how you want us to progress as opposed to anything else. Not short-term fixes but longer term fruition, if maybe achieved more steadily, and with our younger players forming a strong part of that direction. It's understandable.
None of it seems to however acknowledge that if at the end of pre-season training (or before), De Zerbi says thinks thanks but not good enough, so ciao.
On the Robertson signing, 100% agree. It's a bit difficult to decode.
Managers need to be backed as there is no point in bringing them in otherwise. To what extent might be dictated by the circumstances they arrived in.
I would like to believe that before we signed or sold anyone, even more so than if we loaned younger players out for a period, tha it would only occur after through and rigorous consideration, as well as some form of justification..
2It's the "fuck off" price.
I'm sure he has like 3 or 4 years left on his deal at Bournemouth. They have zero reason to sell him. If you want him pay up.
It's the "fuck off" price.
I'm sure he has like 3 or 4 years left on his deal at Bournemouth. They have zero reason to sell him. If you want him pay up.
One can be "beautiful" and "strike well" and other be a "meh signing" but that is 9 goals from one position more. IF (!) he signs and Tel does not improve. Of course I too hope that younger player will step up his game and start contributing much more and takes the starting winger position for himself. But we cannot just base squad planning on hope without plan B.
2 years left. They want 80 but I reckon they will settle for 60 plus some add ons
He made three or four big mistakes in the last few weeks of the season that resulted in goals which Romero would have been crucified far.
Always thought Van Hecke was decent but not great, might go up a level with a move but the valuation with one year left is wild. Hes a good player and will be a good signing but footballing wise Romero is better. The fans have turned on Romero so it’s probably the right thing to do anyway.
If he replaced Maguire at United would they be better or worse? Playing alongside his Argentina partner but maybe disrupting the dressing room makes it hard to decide.

2 years left. They want 80 but I reckon they will settle for 60 plus some add ons
If Wilson is so disposable, why even bother?
OMFG, You either did not read or did not try to understand
My objection to Wilson
-I dont think he's that good
-Id rather give the opportunity to someone like Tel
-At 29, and a free transfer he'll be looking for big £££ - which I think will make it hard to move him on (when we inevitably want to)
-The whole thing just feels like short termist squad filler, and I dont think its worth it
So, we sign Wilson, just for the sake of it apparently, and while Kudus is injured (we assume) Wilson plays = Tel doesnt
Then when Kudus is fit - Tel is even further down the order with Wilson presumably ahead of him
Unless Tel does better than Wilson, pushes ahead - at which point - we have the needless and hard to move on squad filler issue already raised
So - in the event there arent high quality additions we can make, I much prefer the option of passing on a Wilson and giving Tel a real chance
However, in the event there is a genuine high quality addition we can make - then the equation changes - and we may decide to take the obvious step up, knowing it will likely cost us Tel/his opportunities
Everything is a cost/benefit discussion, isnt it? And for me that just doesnt balance with Wilson at all, apparently for you it does

And this is the issue with plain stats, theres really no context, is there?
Wilson is playing under a manager who has been at the club 5 years (I think), where he has been there just as long
Settled squad, system, set up - and he had a very good season in that environment
Tel had none of those advantages, did he?, to my mind that suggests his return isnt as bad as the stats tell us
Next season Tel (in the example) will be in a more settled set up, playing progressive football, in a proper structure - who is to say he wont step up? wont do as well?
Just as - who is to say Wilson fits RDZ's style and does as well as before without dropping off?
(this is really the one properly good season Wilson has had, every other has been consistently a lower output in the prem - hence me expecting him to regress to the mean)
((their last season in the Championship his numbers were ridiculous))