Although Carroll was at best decent and at worst utter dross for QPR, I think the loan spell would've done him good on the whole, and not just coz its propa footy and it'll toughen him up. He's not the kind of player who's going to prosper in the Championship. Ever. He's not as big as George Thorne, and he doesn't get as far forward as Will Hughes. The thing that Carroll would've learned the most in the Championship is to respect his time on the ball. The time he's going to have in the Premiership is going to seem like an absolute age to him now, and in turn that'll make everything else far easier for him.
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We are dealing with another Argy and they love their wide forwards. Think of Jay as a wide forward ala Di Maria or Bale even at Real. I personally love the Latin feel to our team now we just need to fully embrace it and quit arguing over bollocks like inverted wingers and wingbacks lol
Alright, it's time for a "way too early starting lineup." Here's what I expect to see:
Note: While using a 4-2-3-1, note that Poch and Bielsa never used a symmetrical version of the formation.
Using this as a template:
------------Lloris------------
Walk--Lovren--Jan--Saborit
----Paulinho--Capoue---
Lamela--Eriksen--Kono
-------------Remy--------------
Lamela will take over the role similar to Rodriguez', so he'd be almost flat with whoever the striker is and consequently the field will be flipped, including both wingers and wingbacks. On the striker, it is the position I'm the most uncertain of. Remy is up there for now because I view him as our most realistic target, but that is extremely susceptible to change (so please preemptively unwind your panties).
Konoplyanka would effectively be substituted for Ward-Prowse's position, but flipped of course. Kono would not only fill the position, but improve upon it with his ability to cut inside and thereby incorporating not only the benefits of Ward-Prowse, but also Lallana's traits with his ability to cut inside and interact with the other attacking players.
The major likely alternative to all of this of course, is Poch preferring to use Chadli in the Rodriguez role. I think that would be excellent, but risky with a new LB (despite the player's familiarity with the system). Rodriguez was allowed to play almost parallel with the central striker because he had such an excellent, hard-working, and defensively aware LB in behind him. Kono's general defensive awareness meanwhile, would allow Saborit more time to adjust to the league. The last point opposing Chadli being used in the Rodriguez role is that Lamela isn't particularly comfortable on his right foot and is best used cutting in (hence not quite as good as Ward-Prowse as delivering aerially from out wide), and while Townsend is more comfortable on his, his crossing from that foot is likely not sufficient. It is possible Lennon would stay and play that role, but I highly doubt such a thing would happen at the expense of Lamela, who I've no doubt Poch will inevitably favor.
So there you have it. Only biggest changes will be personnel of course at LB, LW, RCB, and ST, but I do feel confident we'll see the rest as written.
Note: While using a 4-2-3-1, note that Poch and Bielsa never used a symmetrical version of the formation.
Using this as a template:
------------Lloris------------
Walk--Lovren--Jan--Saborit
----Paulinho--Capoue---
Lamela--Eriksen--Kono
-------------Remy--------------
Lamela will take over the role similar to Rodriguez', so he'd be almost flat with whoever the striker is and consequently the field will be flipped, including both wingers and wingbacks. On the striker, it is the position I'm the most uncertain of. Remy is up there for now because I view him as our most realistic target, but that is extremely susceptible to change (so please preemptively unwind your panties).
Konoplyanka would effectively be substituted for Ward-Prowse's position, but flipped of course. Kono would not only fill the position, but improve upon it with his ability to cut inside and thereby incorporating not only the benefits of Ward-Prowse, but also Lallana's traits with his ability to cut inside and interact with the other attacking players.
The major likely alternative to all of this of course, is Poch preferring to use Chadli in the Rodriguez role. I think that would be excellent, but risky with a new LB (despite the player's familiarity with the system). Rodriguez was allowed to play almost parallel with the central striker because he had such an excellent, hard-working, and defensively aware LB in behind him. Kono's general defensive awareness meanwhile, would allow Saborit more time to adjust to the league. The last point opposing Chadli being used in the Rodriguez role is that Lamela isn't particularly comfortable on his right foot and is best used cutting in (hence not quite as good as Ward-Prowse as delivering aerially from out wide), and while Townsend is more comfortable on his, his crossing from that foot is likely not sufficient. It is possible Lennon would stay and play that role, but I highly doubt such a thing would happen at the expense of Lamela, who I've no doubt Poch will inevitably favor.
So there you have it. Only biggest changes will be personnel of course at LB, LW, RCB, and ST, but I do feel confident we'll see the rest as written.
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We introduced too many new players last season. Ade, Paulinho and Eriksen showed signs of clicking under Sherwood. Eriksen was on fire, and you surround him with 2 strangers and Lamela? Even though I showed you a video of Eriksen explaining how important it was to have Ade next to him? You don't rip up an understanding that is being forged.
And you learn from mistakes made in the past (too many new players) When half of your outfield players have never played together before, you can pretty much cross your fingers and roll the dice.
Gibbs, if you'd like to have polite and informed discussion of the topic, I'm all for it. But if you want to continue another circle of the same points made, I shan't be biting in another thread.
Alright, it's time for a "way too early starting lineup." Here's what I expect to see:
Note: While using a 4-2-3-1, note that Poch and Bielsa never used a symmetrical version of the formation.
Using this as a template:
------------Lloris------------
Walk--Lovren--Jan--Saborit
----Paulinho--Capoue---
Lamela--Eriksen--Kono
-------------Remy--------------
Lamela will take over the role similar to Rodriguez', so he'd be almost flat with whoever the striker is and consequently the field will be flipped, including both wingers and wingbacks. On the striker, it is the position I'm the most uncertain of. Remy is up there for now because I view him as our most realistic target, but that is extremely susceptible to change (so please preemptively unwind your panties).
Konoplyanka would effectively be substituted for Ward-Prowse's position, but flipped of course. Kono would not only fill the position, but improve upon it with his ability to cut inside and thereby incorporating not only the benefits of Ward-Prowse, but also Lallana's traits with his ability to cut inside and interact with the other attacking players.
The major likely alternative to all of this of course, is Poch preferring to use Chadli in the Rodriguez role. I think that would be excellent, but risky with a new LB (despite the player's familiarity with the system). Rodriguez was allowed to play where he was because he had such an excellent, hard-working, and defensively aware LB in behind him. Kono's general defensive awareness meanwhile, would allow Saborit more time to adjust to the league. The last point opposing Chadli being used in the Rodriguez role is that Lamela isn't particularly comfortable on his right foot and is best used cutting in, and while Townsend is more comfortable on his, his crossing from that foot is likely not sufficient. It is possible Lennon would stay and play that role, but I highly doubt such a thing would happen at the expense of Lamela, who I've no doubt Poch will inevitably favor.
So there you have it. Only biggest changes will be personnel of course at LB, LW, RCB, and ST, but I do feel confident we'll see the rest as written.
Who and what is a Saborit? :walker:
There is no bite in your AM's. Soft Spurs.
What makes you think they will be a vast improvement on eriksen, Lamela and Holtby when it comes to prem spoilers?
Kane and Ade showed how power up front can even make players like Lennon and Rose get assists. Your striker is a big boy but he will get engulfed just like Ade did last season with Defoe, Lennon etc mincing around.
Kono, Lamela and Eriksen is just too damn entertaining to be balanced and stable for a prem season. It will be dazzling peaks and troughs like always. Silky skills, drops of teh shoulders and another preening Arsen at the end of the season with CL while we scratch our arses thinking how did it happen again?
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Young left back who played under Biesla at Bilbao. Biesla's strategy is the school of thought from whence Poch came, so the player wouldn't need as much transition despite coming from outside as he'd already understand the gist of the tactics. He scored 6 times in those two years under Biesla before the age of 22 while playing as a left back, not bad. Also, the player fell down the pecking order after a more senior player came back to Bilbao (Balenziaga) who played in the much different system Bilbao adopted after Biesla left. Therefore, the player would be cheap, conducive to the system, young, very good, and likely to require less time to adapt.
Did you read the article I posted for you in the other thread?
I don't have to. I know a soft spurs lineup when I see one.
Nothing in that thread is going to make that team competitive in the ugly side of the game like defending down the spine, attacking/defending corners and powering it over the line in a scramble etc.
We drop enough points from this aspect of play to cost us that 4th spot.
Very well then, if that is your choice. It appears this conversation was over before it started.
Speaking of conversations...2 new kids in defence? We need leaders. Stalwarts. A captain. We already have one of the youngest teams in the prem.
I don't actually rate Kono. It does not take a great player to make our flanks look weak. I hope Liverpool sign him and he adds to their leaky aspect. The same could happen to him that happened to Townsend. As soon as they knew his game, managers easily knew what to look out for.
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Lloris
Walker Chiriches Vertonghen ANYONE but rose or naughton
Sandro Paulinho
Lamela Eriksen Dembele
Adebayor
Provided we don't make any drastic transfers, I think Dembele has enough quality to do well in a front attacking three, he proves that he can ghost past defenders with his pace and power and close ball control.. Just not far enough up the pitch! Also think Poch could do a decent job with Holtby.
Walker Chiriches Vertonghen ANYONE but rose or naughton
Sandro Paulinho
Lamela Eriksen Dembele
Adebayor
Provided we don't make any drastic transfers, I think Dembele has enough quality to do well in a front attacking three, he proves that he can ghost past defenders with his pace and power and close ball control.. Just not far enough up the pitch! Also think Poch could do a decent job with Holtby.
My friend, your desperation to get a rise and attempt to discredit it me is quite obvious in the last few posts alone. You've already made yourself look ridiculous by admitting to ignorance by not reading the post, so I suggest you stop unless you want to have a viable conversation. If you'd like to have one, I will try to engage with the above, and I'll see if you respond in a corresponding manner:
I agree actually, especially at CB. Unfortunately, I cannot think of a complete option at RCB who can lead vocally, is a "stalwart," and is compatible with Poch's system. As such, I've selected a player who is compatible, is experienced in the Prem, and has leadership experience. I think he is the best option available, despite not necessarily being the best CB option available. He would require the least amount of transitioning time, is a solid option within himself, and he can add the occasional goal in the box.
It is because of low transition time that I have cited the LB. If you'd like to understand who he is and the tactics as to why he's been selected, once again I'd like to highly encourage you to read that article.
I don't think Dembele will be applicable in Poch's system, and especially out wide. He's said in the past he does not enjoy playing there. I do think the rest of your system is accurate though, and I agree on Holtby.
I don't think Dembele will be applicable in Poch's system, and especially out wide. He's said in the past he does not enjoy playing there. I do think the rest of your system is accurate though, and I agree on Holtby.
I was going to put Dembele in the middle of the three but then I feel Eriksen is wasted out wide, however these footballers are intelligent enough to interchange with each other when needed, or i'd like to think so lol, that was my reasoning with Dembele out wide, with all our midfielders we're severely lacking someone who can play there effectively, well Townsend but then I hate the inverted winger style heh
Haha well then you're gonna hate Lamela being out right, as he almost never uses his right foot. And I don't blame you for your logic for Dembele and Eriksen interchanging, I think ideally that's a pretty solid idea, but I just don't see Dembele fitting into Poch's system and especially with his degrading hip reducing his pace.
My pleasure!
In all seriousness, I'm always game to have a good, civil, back n forth discussion with you Gibbs, and I truly mean that.