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Manager Mauricio Pochettino

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sammyspurs said:
It doesnt even have to be 442...you mention Redknapp, but even he also had an equally effective 433 and 451.

My belief as to why those players are left out is that the manager feels they are not suitable to his one style of play.
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But we don't have a pragmatist like Redknapp we have a wenger/Guardiola type guy who believes in developing a certain way of playing even if in the short term it sometimes has issues with players understanding their role and even having the right type of players in the first place to play it.
 
sammyspurs said:
Personally, I think 3-0 down after half an hour at Old Trafford is a really good time to try something drastically different. We had one shot on target with 3 minutes left.
Not sure what approach we were sticking with, but there are times we could simply see what works.
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I think that was the worst we had seen Plan A, Plan A had seen us over the line so many times when we needed last min goals that I can see why he believes in it rather than changing formation.

I mean I am trying to think with that team and that bench what the hell plan B could have been?? Ade and Kane up front Eriksen and Townsend wide Dembele and bentaleb in middle?

I think whatever we would have tried plan B would not have looked as good as plan A, I have not liked it when we have changed to 4-4-2 this year as we lose the whole triangles and movement (which in this one game didnt happen at all) it didn't produce anything. I am all for a plan B I just dont know how it would have improved anything
 
Totti said:
I don't think he has the players for a Plan B - what would you do for a Plan B? I'm interested to know because there isn't much we can do. At times he's changed our style to 4-4-2 in games and it hasn't really worked. He's at times changed players around, such as putting Eriksen central midfield and this has actually worked at times, seeing us winning games late on.
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I'd play a 1-0-1-9 formation with Lloris in goal... then Hoddle pulling the strings just behind Kane, C.Allen, Lineker, Klinsmann, Keane, Berbatov, Gilzean, Crooks & Archibald up top!

...and that's why I'm not paid to make such planning!
 
TOMO said:
But we don't have a pragmatist like Redknapp we have a wenger/Guardiola type guy who believes in developing a certain way of playing even if in the short term it sometimes has issues with players understanding their role and even having the right type of players in the first place to play it.
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You keep confirming my point, that its the manager, not the players..
 
sammyspurs said:
Can you just follow the conversation instead..Ive answered that to someone else.

Basically it wouldnt matter which SAF because you said we dont have the players.
Do we, or dont we? If we have them, then its down to management.
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I think we don't. We have some of the players, but not a starting eleven entirely of the required quality, let alone a full 25 man squad.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
I think we don't. We have some of the players, but not a starting eleven entirely of the required quality, let alone a full 25 man squad.
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Thats my point. We dont have the players for Pochs only and specific style of play but he has no remedy to incorperate the rest of the squad and get the best out of them in another system.

Its like people are countering my point but inadvertently supporting it with what they write.
 
sammyspurs said:
Thats my point. We dont have the players for Pochs only and specific style of play but he has no remedy to incorperate the rest of the squad and get the best out of them in another system.

Its like people are countering my point but inadvertently supporting it with what they write.
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Well what happens in the meetings and trainings etc is a complete mystery, but surely you must agree that they will be talking feverently about how they fucked up, who has the potential to fit the system, who they need to bring in, who can be useful as a squad player. This is his season to work things out afterall... no? And regardless of the squad, the manager himself goes through drastic and strategical changes through his career and learning from his mistakes - look at Van Gaals preferred formations during his career.

During that game, at 3-0 down.... how much can you really change?
Last season wouldn't the lack of Poch's impact mean we'd have capitulated and ended up 6-0 down?

We got turned over by Man Utd, lets not forget who they are, and compared to last season where we got turned over a hell of a lot more by more teams, reckon a bit of perspective needs to be reigned in.
And even if we had his perfect squad.... we'll still have a bad day at the office and lose games every now and then.
 
Joe Clash said:
I think that's a fair point - but shouldn't he be given time (and money) to get the players that do fit his system? We'd all moan if there was no obvious system.
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Of course he should be given time. Ive never said any different.

That doesnt meant Im going to make up poor excuses for his weak points. He needs to fix those faults in the future.

If people think its just about buying another load of players, then they havent learned much.
 
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sammyspurs said:
Of course he should be given time. Ive never said any different.

That doesnt meant Im going to amek up poor excuses for his weak points. He needs to fix those faults in the future.

If people think its just about buying another load of players, then they havent learned much.
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I'm not asking you to, as I said, you made a fair point. It's about buying the right players isn't it though? That's what managers are supposed to do (amongst other things). Poch has hardly had a crack at that yet.
 
Astro said:
Well what happens in the meetings and trainings etc is a complete mystery, but surely you must agree that they will be talking feverently about how they fucked up, who has the potential to fit the system, who they need to bring in, who can be useful as a squad player. This is his season to work things out afterall... no? And regardless of the squad, the manager himself goes through drastic and strategical changes through his career and learning from his mistakes - look at Van Gaals preferred formations during his career.

During that game, at 3-0 down.... how much can you really change?
Last season wouldn't the lack of Poch's impact mean we'd have capitulated and ended up 6-0 down?

We got turned over by Man Utd, lets not forget who they are, and compared to last season where we got turned over a hell of a lot more by more teams, reckon a bit of perspective needs to be reigned in.
And even if we had his perfect squad.... we'll still have a bad day at the office and lose games every now and then.
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Agreed, People expecting us to smash Utd at OT - shameless trolling is not the word
 
Astro said:
Well what happens in the meetings and trainings etc is a complete mystery, but surely you must agree that they will be talking feverently about how they fucked up, who has the potential to fit the system, who they need to bring in, who can be useful as a squad player. This is his season to work things out afterall... no? And regardless of the squad, the manager himself goes through drastic and strategical changes through his career and learning from his mistakes - look at Van Gaals preferred formations during his career.

During that game, at 3-0 down.... how much can you really change?
Last season wouldn't the lack of Poch's impact mean we'd have capitulated and ended up 6-0 down?

We got turned over by Man Utd, lets not forget who they are, and compared to last season where we got turned over a hell of a lot more by more teams, reckon a bit of perspective needs to be reigned in.
And even if we had his perfect squad.... we'll still have a bad day at the office and lose games every now and then.
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Oh I never forgot who Utd were, dont worry...I wasnt the one slating LVG pre match..
At 3-0 down he couldnt change much, because he named a bunch of players on the bench that he had no intention of using. Why Vlad over Fazio? Why paulinho over Stambouli?

However he could have given Ade an hour instead of 12 minutes....no?

They may well be discussing his options behind the scenes, but we have struggled, even in the so called b team games...because its not really a b team....because a 3rd of the squad is off the radar...capiche
 
sammyspurs said:
Of course he should be given time. Ive never said any different.

That doesnt meant Im going to amek up poor excuses for his weak points. He needs to fix those faults in the future.

If people think its just about buying another load of players, then they havent learned much.
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Yup... it could all be down to Poch fucking up.
He's not a messiah.
He's a relatively young manager and will get things wrong - regardless of squad, tired players etc
In an ideal football manager sim world it would be great to see him replay the same game a week later and see how it plays out a 2nd time around.
That would provide great insight into how he really runs things, but sadly we won't get that
 
sammyspurs said:
Oh I never forgot who Utd were, dont worry...I wasnt the one slating LVG pre match..
At 3-0 down he couldnt change much, because he named a bunch of players on the bench that he had no intention of using. Why Vlad over Fazio? Why paulinho over Stambouli?

However he could have given Ade an hour instead of 12 minutes....no?

They may well be discussing his options behind the scenes, but we have struggled, even in the so called b team games...because its not really a b team....because a 3rd of the squad is off the radar...capiche
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Yup, LVG is a sly old dog with many tricks up his sleeve with a (not amazing) but decent squad at his dispossal.

Why Vlad over Fazio? dunno - fitness, state of mind, poor perfomance on training, pressure from the board / Levy to give him play time to put him in the shop window.... who knows. I'm with you and would have chosen Fazio

Same for the Paulinho Stambouli choice.

As for Ade, if I was manager he'd be doing AEB and would be getting zero minutes, but that's just my personal take on him. Talking neutrally - 12 minutes wasn't really enough if Poch hoped he would bring the game to a draw
 
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