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There is plenty of evidence to show that teams not encumbered with European football perform better in their domestic competitions - Leicester - Liverpool - Utd have all benefited from a "year off"
With a new manager it might well be an advantage to have fewer games, that said players like the European stage not only for the profile but the money ... we paid 17m in bonuses last accounts not sure to whom or for what ... but it's no secret we pay low wages high bonuses. If we're not in Europe all the players will miss out, whilst they deserve it for being so poor, it might not make for a happy squad.
What's the point of being in the Champions League exactly if we're not going to build a squad capable of winning it and we're going to prioritize it over competitions we can win?No. In 3 years, our uefa coefficient might get us into the champions league consistently. We can’t get a big fat 0 for one of the 5 years.
Because the teams in Europe by definition are the best teams ..... look beyond the obvious.There is much more evidence that teams with Europe do well and teams without Europe do much worse. The outliers used are so small in number that it often doesn't happen and is very hard to say it was because of no Europe versus other factors.
Because the teams in Europe by definition are the best teams ..... look beyond the obvious.
Chicken and Egg - how did teams not in Europe ten years ago ever get in if the requirement to get in is the money from already being in?There is nothing to show that playing in Europe hurts teams. Part of the reason those teams are the best is the money they get from playing in Europe, the experience they get playing in Europe, the ability to give their youth time to develop in real games by playing in Europe.
There is a reason that teams work hard to qualify for the European spots.
I think there could be an argument for teams like Burnley that fluke their way into Europe and don't have the team to compete or a WH if they got into CL which is way above their ability, but we are not in that position. We have the depth to compete in Europa easily.
Chicken and Egg - how did teams not in Europe ten years ago ever get in if the requirement to get in is the money from already being in?
There is an argument for any team that isn't near guaranteed European football that having free weeks to focus on the league helps, that's just blindingly obvious, only when you are a true mega club with the money to run 25 top players can you not worry about rotation.
I get what you're saying and Bayern, PSG, Barca, Real, City all come in that category - sadly we are still just a bit short - no question the EPL is by far the toughest to qualify from even with four spots, playing 45 games instead of 60 that has to be better doesn't it?
Fair comment - although for you to say "We have the depth to compete in Europa no doubt" nearly made me spill my coffee ... we lack the quality to play in the top six in the EPL, notably in defence ... it's hard to rotate players with such limited options.Teams can obviously rise up but look at the teams that are in Europe year after year, for the majority it is the same teams that go and that is in part due to the extra money they get from Europe. Obviously it is a bigger deal with CL but even if all EL does is gives us enough money to buy one more guy, or upgrade from a 15m player to a 20m player that makes a difference.
We have the depth to compete in Europa no doubt. Last year there was no reason for Son or Kane to play a single minute of Europa until the Zagreb tie. Even guys like Ndombele and PEH could have been sat in all those games. But Jose was so focused on being a serial winner that he paniced at the first sign of trouble and didn't trust our b team to get the job done. Bring in a better manager that doesn't panic and we use our players properly and it shouldn't impact the league one bit.
No playing 45 game instead of 60 isn't better when the majority of the people playing in the extra 15 games will have a minimal impact on the PL.
Fair comment - although for you to say "We have the depth to compete in Europa no doubt" nearly made me spill my coffee ... we lack the quality to play in the top six in the EPL, notably in defence ... it's hard to rotate players with such limited options.
Mourinho never consistently got the best from the front six, he probably did get the best from the back five, trouble is that back five is severely limited.
Without at least two new defenders this summer whoever manages next season will have the same problem, that's with the Europa League or not.
thisNo. In 3 years, our uefa coefficient might get us into the champions league consistently. We can’t get a big fat 0 for one of the 5 years.