AVB got sacked while 7th in the table. We are 11th.
This is entirely comparably bad to that, my memory isn’t short. We were terrible then and terrible now.
We could legitimately lose to anyone right now.
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Management Ange: In/Out?
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AVB got sacked while 7th in the table. We are 11th.
This is entirely comparably bad to that, my memory isn’t short. We were terrible then and terrible now.
We could legitimately lose to anyone right now.
Conte, like Mourinho, is also a massive bellend. I'm not going to cry over either of their fates - really didn't want them at Spurs to begin with.
And, based on their career history, even if it'd worked they likely would have melted down and been gone in roughly the same amount of time. It's who they are.
I don't have a massive issue with our squad building strategy, honestly. The 2 best periods in Spurs modern history, Harry's and Poch's teams, were built on the back of developing good young players into great young players.
Tying it back to the topic, Ange is incapable of competing at this level regardless of the squad building philosophy. Time to move on and hope we find another Harry or Poch.
Conte delivered exactly what Levy wanted. You can moan about it being boring in the 2nd season all you like, but it was nothing of the sort in the first season.
He was backed with crap. I was livid we got Richarlison. We needed a top RB to replace Royal and Doherty - got Spence. We needed a WC CB to replace donkey Dier, we got Lenglet on loan. We needed to replace Lloris, we didn't. We needed so much and got so little. No wonder he was a miserable cunt and then to add to that, all the unforeseen personal problems happened too.
And still he was in FAR better shape at this stage, and by MW 28 when he finally lost his marbles than we are now.
He was backed with crap. I was livid we got Richarlison. We needed a top RB to replace Royal and Doherty - got Spence. We needed a WC CB to replace donkey Dier, we got Lenglet on loan. We needed to replace Lloris, we didn't. We needed so much and got so little. No wonder he was a miserable cunt and then to add to that, all the unforeseen personal problems happened too.
And still he was in FAR better shape at this stage, and by MW 28 when he finally lost his marbles than we are now.
We absolutely did not put a squad together to suit Conte and weren't willing to make the hard choices (on outgoings as much as incomings) to make that happen, but I'm not sure whether it ever would have been possible for him to work productively with the kind of forward-thinking setup the club (rightly) wants.
Whatever you want to say about that initial Ange flurry of success with totally new players after selling Kane, it served to turn a page that desperately needed turning.
The football was much worse - the word turgid was used as folks had just found out it existed.
That doesn't mean it isn't bad now, mind, just that it was worse then.
It might have been worse aesthetically but practically speaking we are just as bad now as we have ever been.
We are easier to beat now that at any point I can remember.
yeah, id agree with that - yet for me, somehow it felt worse in AVBs second season - conceding 14 without reply vs City and Liverpool and West Ham was a fucking nightmare.
Sort of an opposite situation, AVB always got results against lesser sides but would get totally humiliated by top teams, we looked further away than ever from the level we were trying to break into at that moment.
But that was another example of sacking a manager while we were still in all the cups, a pointless gesture.
Yeah we sucked. It was miserable.
It was a completely valid sacking, AVB was done and the dressing room was lost. Those performances were horrendous.
Sherwood improved us a fair bit which is insane.
This is something that I just can't get on board with. I can understand people still thinking he's the right manager. I disagree, but I get that someone may think that way.
But thinking that, well he may not be the right choice but we can't do anything until the seasons up in smoke. Because of what? Politeness?
There's either the sense in the club that we have the right guy and are on the right path. In which case stick with him. Whether I agree or not.
Or we don't think that. In which case. Lets try and salvage the season if we can.
The single valid reason to keep Ange imo is that we have no alternatives at this point and it may be better to keep our powder dry till the summer. That’s it.
13/14 under AVB 15 games in we had 27pts were 7th and had lost 4 games. It was really shit but perceived worse situations are subjective not facts.
The facts are this is our worst start to a season after 15 games since 2008. The good old Ramos 2 pts from 8 games season. Poch/Mourinho was the same but we'd sacked Poch by now.
For what its worth the worst for me in the last 20 years or so was the last 2 or 3 months under Mourinho but results wise it was better than this.
Yeah I think it's just the nature of them defeats I mentioned. no good team in the premier league should lose from 2 nil up unless your relegation fodder.
We're predictable and naively defensively poor which isn't good when your manager insists on pressing the whole time.
Like I said he is the architect of his own downfall. If he managed his own expectations we will probably better off.
That being said the whole...him not coaching and then hiring new coaches everywhere he's been, set up, stinks to the core.(Hindsight)
Literally means we only have last seasons experience and Matt wells time at Bournemouth to educate our players on.
There's this part of it, but there's also a certain respect for uncertainty.
If the overriding mission of this season and any future season until we break the crippling trophy drought that hangs over the club like a toxic cloud is to break through and win a competition, how can we say with certainty the season is a failure before we've been eliminated.
And the two mix together. You tell me New Manager X is going to come in and raise our fortunes RIGHT NOW, fantastic, let's do it. But I'm not even hearing that claimed really. I'm hearing that it's time to get off this long term project to hop aboard another long term project. Why bother with that before May?
If Ange is a doomed idiot but he nicks a cup anyhow (don't laugh, Juande Ramos did it), that would be well, well worth holding on for.
Ange-Ball is on the emphasis of press high, win ball, attack, attack attack. Great! The only problem is when the press fails, as it often dose there are huge gaps in the middle of the park and out wide for the opposition to exploit, this puts unrealistic pressure on the centre backs chaos ensueds and far to often we concede.
A balance is needed, game management is needed but unfortunately we have an arrogant naive twat as our manager who believes this system will work in The EPL because he had success with it in The J-League and SPL.
How this fool is coaching, hang on, he's not! How this fool is pulling the wool over so many peoples eyes, press and his inner circle at the club included at this level is beyond me. More than that, how the senior professionals at the club have not (I assume) said, look gaffer we need to review our way of playing occasionally mate.
The sooner this idiot is back across the boarder and remains there the better imo.
A balance is needed, game management is needed but unfortunately we have an arrogant naive twat as our manager who believes this system will work in The EPL because he had success with it in The J-League and SPL.
How this fool is coaching, hang on, he's not! How this fool is pulling the wool over so many peoples eyes, press and his inner circle at the club included at this level is beyond me. More than that, how the senior professionals at the club have not (I assume) said, look gaffer we need to review our way of playing occasionally mate.
The sooner this idiot is back across the boarder and remains there the better imo.
I think Conte was actively trying to get sacked after the Spence and Lenglet debacles.
And yet he still managed to outperform Ange.
That says it all really.
AvB’s football was awful to watch, but our current setup is more infuriating.
I find Ange’s obstinacy more grating. We’re just playing like dickheads.
I suppose it’s a distinction without a difference, but Ange is living a charmed existence. I can’t remember any other manager’s approach being so indulged.
If he was I despise him even more - what a self-entitled little cunt.
I know what you’re saying but levy would have no qualms about ditching his current manager and man brought in to take the flack. Especially when man brought in to take the flack isn’t doing that job and Levy is still getting pelters (quite rightly)!
Does it mean though if Ange does go, Munn picks the next bloke? I agree he should never have got his job either in the first place. He has zero experience in the PL or European football.