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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Bazali said:
I honestly don’t believe that Levy gives a toss what us fans think provided we have a safe position in the PL, the ground full and the merchandise selling so he can get another fat bonus

Cunt is laughing all the way to the bank!

:levylol:
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That's it in a nutshell.

The dimwhitted fans who say he isn't taking all the profit can't see it. He's still one of, if not the best paid chairman in the league, if not the world. You don't have to be taking money out of the club to be taking the fucking piss.
 
CarrieFi said:
I know it’s not comparable in quality, I literally said it in the first sentence which you highlighted! The point I’m trying to make is about the circumstances.

To be honest, trying to reason with any Spurs fan right now is harder than trying to win the lottery. Probably for the best if everyone steps away from angrily talking and gets some fresh air
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This is great advice.

Really I’m more pissed off with myself for watching last night. I knew this same pattern was repeating weeks ago
 
Being generous to Ange I think it's right that his priority is to get his style of play implemented properly first. Once that is achieved, then you can move on to tweaking tactical set-ups for specific opponents. Pep in his first year at City finished what, 4th? You didn't see him changing his philosophy to suit the opponent - he knew that first season the priority is to establish the underlying principles before dealing with the small details. This goes for Howe's first season at Newcastle too. Or Arteta at Woolwich. Emery at Villa had problems establishing their playstyle early on too.

That said, the fact that we seem to be getting worse of late is worrying, and if this carries on into November/December next year, it will be apparent that Ange isn't capable. Now is not the time to think about sacking him imo - trust the process at this stage. But when it becomes apparent that it's not going to happen, then will be the time to get rid.

The manager merry-go-round has never worked for us, so what's the point in hastily sacking him now? Who would we get in that would do better than 5th place with this squad?
 
Pavlyuchenkooo said:
Being generous to Ange I think it's right that his priority is to get his style of play implemented properly first. Once that is achieved, then you can move on to tweaking tactical set-ups for specific opponents. Pep in his first year at City finished what, 4th? You didn't see him changing his philosophy to suit the opponent - he knew that first season the priority is to establish the underlying principles before dealing with the small details. This goes for Howe's first season at Newcastle too. Or Arteta at Woolwich. Emery at Villa had problems establishing their playstyle early on too.

That said, the fact that we seem to be getting worse of late is worrying, and if this carries on into November/December next year, it will be apparent that Ange isn't capable. Now is not the time to think about sacking him imo - trust the process at this stage. But when it becomes apparent that it's not going to happen, then will be the time to get rid.

The manager merry-go-round has never worked for us, so what's the point in hastily sacking him now? Who would we get in that would do better than 5th place with this squad?
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I don't think we should sack him now but in the past SIX (6!!!) months we've been shocking. 34 points from the last 24 matches. That is like 15th placed form, for the MAJORITY of the season.

That's not hasty. There are close to no managers afforded this amount of patience from fans and media alike. Ange is getting treated with kiddy gloves because of his matey attitude, for better or worse.
 
Pavlyuchenkooo said:
Being generous to Ange I think it's right that his priority is to get his style of play implemented properly first. Once that is achieved, then you can move on to tweaking tactical set-ups for specific opponents. Pep in his first year at City finished what, 4th? You didn't see him changing his philosophy to suit the opponent - he knew that first season the priority is to establish the underlying principles before dealing with the small details. This goes for Howe's first season at Newcastle too. Or Arteta at Woolwich. Emery at Villa had problems establishing their playstyle early on too.

That said, the fact that we seem to be getting worse of late is worrying, and if this carries on into November/December next year, it will be apparent that Ange isn't capable. Now is not the time to think about sacking him imo - trust the process at this stage. But when it becomes apparent that it's not going to happen, then will be the time to get rid.

The manager merry-go-round has never worked for us, so what's the point in hastily sacking him now? Who would we get in that would do better than 5th place with this squad?
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If we were getting better at it during the season, I'd back this opinion.
But we're getting worse and every week a new player seems to look like a shadow of himself.

He's making players that looked good early this season look bad now.
Conte and Mourinho were lambasted for this. Ange should be too.
 
snowkarl said:
I don't think we should sack him now but in the past SIX (6!!!) months we've been shocking. 34 points from the last 24 matches. That is like 15th placed form, for the MAJORITY of the season.

That's not hasty. There are close to no managers afforded this amount of patience from fans and media alike. Ange is getting treated with kiddy gloves because of his matey attitude, for better or worse.
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Those first 10 games are hiding massive huge problems.
Far from giving us hope, they should be a huge caution.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I have 2 opinions at the same time:

I don’t believe the manager is the route of the problem and will defend that 1000%

I think this club is going nowhere under this ownership and I don’t want the manager to be the fall guy again.

Also, whilst there is still something to play for, I’m 100% behind the team but as soon as another season dies, I don’t have the patience to defend shit.

If that’s too complicated to understand then I can see why you think changing another manager will be the answer
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actually yes it is complicated to understand.

So you voice your approval of the manager and team until there is nothing to play for when you decide the players are the problem and the manager has faults. That could literally be 1 game where we have everything to play for...then lose the game and its nothing to play for and suddenly you can see all that's wrong.

Can you not see how confusing it it. There's no gradual buildup with the change of opinion its just sudden after initially seeing no wrong and defending everything.
 
CarrieFi said:
When Ange was managing in Japan (yes I know it’s only Japan and not the PL) his team nearly got relegated in their first season. They went on to win the league the next season.

I imagine those Japanese fans would have probably had huge doubts about Ange in his first season.

(As a sidenote I dread to think how the majority of this fanbase would have reacted if we had nearly got relegated)
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It just shows how the fan base has changed

In the mid 70s we nearly got relegated and we beat the Chavs to send them down with a goal from Alfie Conn

Great celebrations and you would have thought that we had won the league

The next season we did go down but virtually everyone was on board and the season in Div 2, great fun and, as we all know, we came straight back up!

My point being is that the football we were playing was still attractive unlike the shite being served up now!
 
Richard Arlison said:
My question is what influence is there in the dressing room that has got some of the others not believing anymore?

Is it a player? A coach? Another member of staff with access to the players?

Either way there is a rotten culture in that club that has been there too long.
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I think there is an issue that 95% of our squad has never played at or reached a higher level than we currently operating at.

We want champions League quality with a mostly Europa league level squad.

Add in the fact there is many unsuited to the style who are still getting a lot of playing time.
 
kingdawson said:
The crazy thing is after all I've said about Ange I'd still not sack him simply because I don't trust Levy to get anyone decent in to replace him. I'm literally keeping him in the hopes that his system somehow magically starts working after another summer of recruitment.
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This is the big issue for me. Regardless of whether I think ange is good enough or not since poch our approach to hiring managers has been an embarrassment and I simply do not trust Levy to not drag the name of the club further through the mud with how we've gone about appointing managers. I forget what number down the line ange was and what number down the line nuno was. I was very much against the ange appointment and think that he does need to wake up quick and adapt his instructions,but, I'm more inclined to trust him than I am Levy.
 
snowkarl said:
I don't think we should sack him now but in the past SIX (6!!!) months we've been shocking. 34 points from the last 24 matches. That is like 15th placed form, for the MAJORITY of the season.

That's not hasty. There are close to no managers afforded this amount of patience from fans and media alike. Ange is getting treated with kiddy gloves because of his matey attitude, for better or worse.
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I do agree tbf, this poor form is a very extended run now and and none of the issues seem to be addressed. I think given the league position though ultimately Ange has bought himself the start of next season at least. Like I said, if we start next season and the same issues are still there, he should be gone before Christmas.
 
Bazali said:
It just shows how the fan base has changed

In the mid 70s we nearly got relegated and we beat the Chavs to send them down with a goal from Alfie Conn

Great celebrations and you would have thought that we had won the league

The next season we did go down but virtually everyone was on board and the season in Div 2, great fun and, as we all know, we came straight back up!

My point being is that the football we were playing was still attractive unlike the shite being served up now!
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Football was cheap for fans back then, and the repercussions of relegation were nowhere near as big as they are now.

That's why coaches got given longer than now as well.
 
Pavlyuchenkooo said:
I do agree tbf, this poor form is a very extended run now and and none of the issues seem to be addressed. I think given the league position though ultimately Ange has bought himself the start of next season at least. Like I said, if we start next season and the same issues are still there, he should be gone before Christmas.
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I can see that happening and we will end up shopping around in the bargain basement for managers

Then rinse and repeat

Let’s do it now!
 
First 10 games we were awesome. Untouchable. Could have been plsyers were stifled by jose and conte dinosaur tactics. Those injuries killed us and totally dismantled us. We did lose kane as well. But weve been very inconsistent since injuries and as season has wore on the basics have been ignored. Bit amateurish tbh.
 
John Thomas said:
The mentality at the top of this football club stinks of shit, greed and complacency.
It seeps down and infects everything from the boardroom to the training ground. There is no desire to win where it matters to the fans, only where it matters to ENIC. £££
Every manager Levy has employed has hinted at it, and Conte had the balls to say it outright while still in his post.

A Legend for that alone. .:contepoint:
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I couldn't stand his tactics, glad he's gone, but yes he nailed the lack of winning mentality at the club.

A shame he did that rowing back and insisted he meant "the players".
 
Bazali said:
It just shows how the fan base has changed

In the mid 70s we nearly got relegated and we beat the Chavs to send them down with a goal from Alfie Conn

Great celebrations and you would have thought that we had won the league

The next season we did go down but virtually everyone was on board and the season in Div 2, great fun and, as we all know, we came straight back up!

My point being is that the football we were playing was still attractive unlike the shite being served up now!
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I suppose the point I’m trying to make is that you’d hope things will be better next season.

Obviously if they’re not conversations have got to be had, but it’s too early for everyone to be losing their heads. I get it, it’s been tough to watch the last few weeks

I had us finishing 6th at the start of this season, seems like we’ll be finishing there or thereabouts, so we haven’t done worse than I predicted
 
kingdawson said:
The crazy thing is after all I've said about Ange I'd still not sack him simply because I don't trust Levy to get anyone decent in to replace him. I'm literally keeping him in the hopes that his system somehow magically starts working after another summer of recruitment.
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His general pattern is lucking out occasionally.

Lucked out with Jol who moved us on. Tried to be clever with Ramos. Then lucked out with Redknapp who moved us on. Then tried to be clever with AVB but failed and then lucked out with Poch who moved us on.
He could have lucked out with Mourinho or Conte but short contracts and rubbish windows let them down. Nono was a place holder.
I think he thought he was gonna luck out with Ange but it's becoming a disaster.
 
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