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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Tottenham can't win trophies when the refs are anti-Tottenham, the same refs that Ange doesn't wanna talk about. Michael Oliver didn't want to give a clear, blatant penalty, VAR had to challenge him. Liverpool are allowed to kick the ball off a player's head at over 6 feet and kick the the player in the head - no foul. Spurs' goalie fouled by teams since man.City started it in the FA Cup and Howard Webb has said it was ok, but in other matches the ref gives a foul. Bentancur was clearly hacked down by Matty Cash and injured and had to go off yet the ref and VAR didn't punish it. Even Andy Goldstein said on Talksport they should give a retrospective red card for that foul. But nothing said from Ange.

If he's gonna moan about the fans he should start defending the team from the referees who are deliberately working against this club, and brush up his history and knowledge of Tottenham Hotspur coz I think he knows little about Spurs.
Yes. Ignoring the anti-Spurs conspiracy nutjob stuff some go on about, Ange's "we'll just cop it mate" doesn't appear to serve us well
 
Hopefully its emotion speaking, but got the same vibes. Our last game is quite important in that sense, I could easily see Ange moving on if we don't perform and he blames it on the 'weak mentality', while fans blame his lack of ability / understanding. Ultimately think the silver lining of our sht run in is that it exposes our weaknesses and allows us to work on covering them (versus thinking we are in great shape with a 4th and shtting the bed next season)
 
It doesn't matter what other managers said before, we are here now not living in the past.

I don't think is being blow out of proportion, he behaved and said things not suitable for the club. He may have an agenda or not.

It's the manager's job to create steel and backbone in the squad. yesterday's rant is not helpful at all.

The fanbase is here to stay forever and are used to such antics. Owners, players and managers come and go.
We’ll have to agree to disagree as I don’t think he said anything to bring the club into disrepute.

Storm in a tea cup.
 
Supporters don't create winning cultures, players and managers and owners do.

During covid and the stands were empty, City were still dominant, they have the most plastic fucking fans known to man.

You think the scum have good supporters that have made Woolwich title challengers? They are some of the biggest melters in the league.

It's bullshit deflection, HIM and the players have had the ability to do the job for months and they have failed, the only person that should be getting the blame for failing to secure top four and putting us in a position where we have to want our team to lose so our rivals don't win the league is the manager, the players and the board, that's it, end of discussion.

Saying there are issues "inside and outside" the club is pure deflection, outside the club has nothing to do with them failing to do their jobs, the supporters have been right behind Ange all along, even clapping that fucking TURGID display against the chavs, if anything the only thing you can level at our supporters is the acceptance of mediocrity but that's been ingrained in the culture from the top after decades of failure.
You might be right in that it is the club that first and foremost drives a winning culture, but you’re also being unfair on a manager in his first season in charge. We’ve seen the good and the bad, and now it is time to give him a chance next season to see if we can improve

You are all acting as if Ange and the players wanted to lose these last recent games. They tried and were outclassed by better teams at the moment. Unfortunately it led us to this shit scenario. We need to give him time to reshape the squad to his liking, and stick him to his word
 
We’ll have to agree to disagree as I don’t think he said anything to bring the club into disrepute.

Storm in a tea cup.
Yes but I think that is because of Ange. This whole furore is because of his immature reaction and odd comments. West Ham fans have said exactly the same and Moyes made a joke about it instead getting up his own arse.

(Don't bring up the remote possibility that we could have got top 4 as making it different - that is not Ange's point)
 
5 Losses in the Last 6 games is unacceptable yet all the media are talking about is how Ange feels let down as some of the stadium were happy for us not to win?
Don't get me wrong there are some positives to take in the way we played last night , however Football is a results game and anything but 3 points on our last game and a good performance to go with it then Ange will be gone before Christmas.
As someone once said, "It's a journey." If that journey ends with Woolrich not winning the title it's hard not to agree with someone who is happy today about the result.
 
Oh Ange, this is case study on how you simply can not pick the narrative surrounding the game, you can only pick the squad mate.

Ange is our manager and his sole focus is to win, as it should be however yesterday was a once in a blue moon situation for the FANS. He is not a fan so yes, in his view it is "irrelevant" for squad selection, tactics etc, but the NARRATIVE is not irrelevant and this is where he went wrong.

He desperately tried to change the narrative having already failed to do so for the NLD, so he didn't learn his lesson. It is hilarious for a manger all season long to say that our style of play is what will determine our progress (not even table position) then suddenly stake it on our ability to beat Man City. He said this directly. Well Ange, when we're good, we beat city, when we're shit, we beat city, when we're meh, we beat city. We are Man City's boogey team. Did he even realise that it was under his management that we conceded our first goal at home to City since our new stadium was built? His alternate view was BS to begin with but because he was so desperate to eliminate the aspect of the North London rivalry, he tried to make it something it simply never was. Worse yet, because he believed so much in his own delusional narrative, it's made him lash out at the club and fans.

One thing that stood out to me in the post match press conference was his admission of the fans influence. He said the FANS got us extra time goals in the past, which is actually the most humble thing I've heard from him so far as manager. So for him to then proceed to call the fanbase "fragile" because of the anti Woolwich chants and apparent lack of support shows a massive contradiction in beliefs when you bare in mind what he's said all season long about the importance of the supporters free will to believe what they want - especially when things were going well and some were saying we could be title challengers. He effectively blamed the fans for the loss yesterday even if he didn't have the bollocks to directly say it.

And the final oddity which others have already pointed out is his sudden turn on team selection and tactics for THIS game. He finally started all three of our CBs together, shifted one to left-back, completely changed our shape out of possession with a prime Brighton level mid-block which was a masterstroke and completely stifled City in the first half. He even went with a false number 9 setup during attack with fucking Sarr being the furthest forward to press the ball. Call me cynical but this is Ange's most egotistical move as of yet. He had so much contempt for the narrative that we should lose that he FINALLY CHANGED TACTICS. He's sat back and watched us get battered week in week out with the same shite set-up but yesterday was the day he re-imagined the squad. No one can deny that those tactics and squad selection were out of character.

I change when I want to change and if think i'm going to throw this away for your benefit then you'll see the biggest change yet!

The fact that he is only willing to adapt the squad tactically out of contempt for the noise surrounding a match makes me doubt his composure. We could have had this set up (and it was a rather good one) against Woolwich (who play similar football to City), against Newcastle etc. His ego has leaked onto the pitch. He's actually lucky it's the end of the season because everyone can fuck off and calm down.
 
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