Postecoglou is an entertainer and up until recently was telling fans what they wanted to hear in regards to how high the team could finish. Now, he is admitting what has been obvious for some time, Spurs are rebuilding and this season likely is going to be difficult. Had he been more honest with fans, and maybe with himself, it is more likely fans would have been behind him and willing to take a long view. Instead many want him fired because he built expectations the talent on the squad can't deliver. Viewed as a rebuild, this season hasn't been bad. Some big wins, some good young players getting experience, and some players who weren't producing moved on. He can still salvage a top six finish but he really needs to get control of himself and stop making so many grand pronouncements.
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Fair play to ohara losing it on talksport last night. Passionate fan. From the heart. Respect.
Probably yes.
I said a dozen pages back or so what levy was saying in that fan forum.
I think he really likes this current set up and will see it through as much as he can. He acknowledged there would be painful moments but believed this was the right trajectory.
We'll see if he holds his nerve with all the fan and media pressure.
My respect for him will marginally increase if he sticks by his man this time
Nah I can't see it. He alluded to if people were having doubts whether that is internal or external in the PC today. I think he knows he is under pressure.
And by the time you say you are in a relegation battle, it's too late anyway. If we lose on Sunday, can anybody really see us getting anything at Southampton? Then we have Rangers before that game, who will want to do Ange over because of his celtic history. Then United in the QF and Liverpool away.
I think he's gone by the very latest, after Liverpooll away when we will get our asses handed to us.
We could very easily be looking at
Chelsea H Loss
Rangers A Loss
Southampton A Draw or Loss
United H Loss
Liverpool A Loss.
Even a win at Rangers which I genuinely cannot see us doing, and get a point or win at Southampton, is that really going to be enough?
Because I am telling you now, we won't beat United in the QF or Liverpool at Anfield..
If he loses to southampton away then surely he has to go. If he survives that arrange two friendlies v plymouth and coventry. Losing to lampard and rooney would be nail in coffin. Both couldnt run a bath.
He's on pretty thin ice. There's nothing going for him.
He probably doesn't have a big payout clause in his contract. His resume is pretty weak. We've been a mid-table team since last November,with no signs of improvement. He's almost 60, so it's not like we're talking about a young and upcoming manager who may get more patience. Literally the only thing that would keep him in the job would be the alternative: Having an interim in charge for half a season. So, barring a miraculous turnaround, my guess is that they either start looking for potential replacements while keeping him, or wait until spring when the season is virtually over to sack him and let Mason finish. Sacking him in Christmas and having Mason in charge (again) for 5-6 months would be a terrible look. They'll probably avoid that at all costs
He probably doesn't have a big payout clause in his contract. His resume is pretty weak. We've been a mid-table team since last November,with no signs of improvement. He's almost 60, so it's not like we're talking about a young and upcoming manager who may get more patience. Literally the only thing that would keep him in the job would be the alternative: Having an interim in charge for half a season. So, barring a miraculous turnaround, my guess is that they either start looking for potential replacements while keeping him, or wait until spring when the season is virtually over to sack him and let Mason finish. Sacking him in Christmas and having Mason in charge (again) for 5-6 months would be a terrible look. They'll probably avoid that at all costs
Board could be proactive as stealth looking for a world class manager. Brighton do that and its like a hand in glove with replacements. Mason mates for 6 months is just a waste of everybodys time.
Calling him a fat cunt to his face is bang out of order from our so called fans. No need for that.
The question will be, at what point does Daniel think we genuinely are at risk. If we’re in the shit at the end of January (13th or below, say), he’ll be gone. Levy won’t be able to sugar coat that regardless of his indifference.
If not, he’ll go at the end of the season. More options available.
The only time things have looked good under Ange for more than a day was right at the beginning.
No doubt. But unfortunately, especially in this day and age, it's really difficult to keep this stuff secret. And when it does leak, it gets ugly real fast. Brighton finished bottom half last season after the rift betwen RDZ and their board became public. Similar with WH and Moyes. Considering Ange's volatile personality, he would probably go full Conte. In that case, you have to sack him, with or without proper replacement in place. That's the danger IMO
After reading the last 20 pages of this thread I get the distinct impression that most are going for "ANGE OUT" , is that right or am I not reading the room correctly .
Totally agree. Cant deny levy is a genuis businessman. As is sugar. But on pitch and imo they dont understand logic buying real top players on market. Dithering and getting hijacked squabbling over fees. Theyre happy to spend fortunes on infrastructure but not real top players. Business has outweighed football decisions under sugar and levy. Appreciate they balance books and well run club but not enough imo. Thats why weve fallen short.
If he loses to southampton away then surely he has to go. If he survives that arrange two friendlies v plymouth and coventry. Losing to lampard and rooney would be nail in coffin. Both couldnt run a bath.
If we were going to bring someone on during the Christmas period, wouldn't this be the week? There's Europa at Rangers on Thursday but a loss doesn't do us in, and it's only Southampton before United in the cup the following Thursday. That's enough time for a new manager to refocus things and prepare something for the cup tie. If there's to be a bounce we need it for the next two or three weeks.
Even assuming we beat Rangers and Southampton like we should, 3 convincing defeats by big 6 rivals (knocking us out of the cup in the process) should be hard to survive for Ange.
Feels a bit like it all hinges on the United game.
Brighton are incredible at getting consistently good managers. Levy really needs to study what it is they are doing and try to figure out how he can capture some of that magic. At some point some of these smaller clubs actually might dislodge us in relation to themselves.
Don't waste your tears on Ange. He said he doesn't give a toss what people say. His shoulders are broad.
He's a very lucky man, in a privileged position, earning shedloads of money which is being provided by us. Abuse from the fans should actually spur him into action. If it doesn't, there are plenty of people who would relish taking his place. For example, I'd come out of retirement to do it - for half his salary.
Ultimately the club decided that Solanke and the same 10 that staggered to the finish last season were adequate.
Never known how to interpret that, really. Was it just Levy's typical complacency? Did Ange want more and not get it? Of course he said he was happy with the team, but he's got to say that.
Yeah some of fans overstepped mark last night with Ange. But we dont smash up coaches or cause trouble in europe. Tbh i think we are very good ambassadors in general. Were easy targets by other clubs cos we havent won much. The penalty of being a big club.