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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Cranston said:
I do wonder with Ange, when I hear how absurdly bullish he is in press conferences, has he been given assurances that as long as we’re not in a relegation battle, his job his safe?

The confidence he is emitting does not correlate to the performances we are seeing.
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Nah I can't see it. He alluded to if people were having doubts whether that is internal or external in the PC today. I think he knows he is under pressure.

And by the time you say you are in a relegation battle, it's too late anyway. If we lose on Sunday, can anybody really see us getting anything at Southampton? Then we have Rangers before that game, who will want to do Ange over because of his celtic history. Then United in the QF and Liverpool away.

I think he's gone by the very latest, after Liverpooll away when we will get our asses handed to us.

We could very easily be looking at

Chelsea H Loss
Rangers A Loss
Southampton A Draw or Loss
United H Loss
Liverpool A Loss.

Even a win at Rangers which I genuinely cannot see us doing, and get a point or win at Southampton, is that really going to be enough?

Because I am telling you now, we won't beat United in the QF or Liverpool at Anfield..
 
He's on pretty thin ice. There's nothing going for him.

He probably doesn't have a big payout clause in his contract. His resume is pretty weak. We've been a mid-table team since last November,with no signs of improvement. He's almost 60, so it's not like we're talking about a young and upcoming manager who may get more patience. Literally the only thing that would keep him in the job would be the alternative: Having an interim in charge for half a season. So, barring a miraculous turnaround, my guess is that they either start looking for potential replacements while keeping him, or wait until spring when the season is virtually over to sack him and let Mason finish. Sacking him in Christmas and having Mason in charge (again) for 5-6 months would be a terrible look. They'll probably avoid that at all costs
 
BJK said:
He's on pretty thin ice. There's nothing going for him.

He probably doesn't have a big payout clause in his contract. His resume is pretty weak. We've been a mid-table team since last November,with no signs of improvement. He's almost 60, so it's not like we're talking about a young and upcoming manager who may get more patience. Literally the only thing that would keep him in the job would be the alternative: Having an interim in charge for half a season. So, barring a miraculous turnaround, my guess is that they either start looking for potential replacements while keeping him, or wait until spring when the season is virtually over to sack him and let Mason finish. Sacking him in Christmas and having Mason in charge (again) for 5-6 months would be a terrible look. They'll probably avoid that at all costs
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Board could be proactive as stealth looking for a world class manager. Brighton do that and its like a hand in glove with replacements. Mason mates for 6 months is just a waste of everybodys time.
 
Kaz Hirai said:
Probably yes.

I said a dozen pages back or so what levy was saying in that fan forum.
I think he really likes this current set up and will see it through as much as he can. He acknowledged there would be painful moments but believed this was the right trajectory.

We'll see if he holds his nerve with all the fan and media pressure.
My respect for him will marginally increase if he sticks by his man this time
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The question will be, at what point does Daniel think we genuinely are at risk. If we’re in the shit at the end of January (13th or below, say), he’ll be gone. Levy won’t be able to sugar coat that regardless of his indifference.

If not, he’ll go at the end of the season. More options available.
 
Dudski said:
I think you have to get through the season to know what if the system is sustainable. There are times when it has looked very good. Now you have to figure out if the system is the issue or the injuries. You won't know that until the season is over.
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The only time things have looked good under Ange for more than a day was right at the beginning.
 
Hampshire Spur said:
Board could be proactive as stealth looking for a world class manager. Brighton do that and its like a hand in glove with replacements. Mason mates for 6 months is just a waste of everybodys time.
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No doubt. But unfortunately, especially in this day and age, it's really difficult to keep this stuff secret. And when it does leak, it gets ugly real fast. Brighton finished bottom half last season after the rift betwen RDZ and their board became public. Similar with WH and Moyes. Considering Ange's volatile personality, he would probably go full Conte. In that case, you have to sack him, with or without proper replacement in place. That's the danger IMO
 
Aphex said:
He might be a talent mate, but let's be honest he showed next to nothing in his career with us so far. He might come good in a few seasons, might not. Odobert is the type of signing big clubs might make on top of an Eze or Neto, not instead of.

I just can't get excited about the likes of Odobert, Bergval or Gray because I've seen it all before. Spurs fans hype them up as the second coming and it rarely ever happens to turn out what fans hope for. I want to see Spurs win and that means signing top quality players now, not just future punts.

I've had it up to here now with Levy. Ange is a failure on Levy's part because he should never have been appointed. But more importantly, Levy charges us sky high prices, and he doesn't invest enough in the team in terms of wages to attract the best players here. It's why we simply are never going anywhere under him. The Poch years were a fluke.
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Totally agree. Cant deny levy is a genuis businessman. As is sugar. But on pitch and imo they dont understand logic buying real top players on market. Dithering and getting hijacked squabbling over fees. Theyre happy to spend fortunes on infrastructure but not real top players. Business has outweighed football decisions under sugar and levy. Appreciate they balance books and well run club but not enough imo. Thats why weve fallen short.
 
Hampshire Spur said:
If he loses to southampton away then surely he has to go. If he survives that arrange two friendlies v plymouth and coventry. Losing to lampard and rooney would be nail in coffin. Both couldnt run a bath.😀
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If we were going to bring someone on during the Christmas period, wouldn't this be the week? There's Europa at Rangers on Thursday but a loss doesn't do us in, and it's only Southampton before United in the cup the following Thursday. That's enough time for a new manager to refocus things and prepare something for the cup tie. If there's to be a bounce we need it for the next two or three weeks.
 
Aphex said:
Nah I can't see it. He alluded to if people were having doubts whether that is internal or external in the PC today. I think he knows he is under pressure.

And by the time you say you are in a relegation battle, it's too late anyway. If we lose on Sunday, can anybody really see us getting anything at Southampton? Then we have Rangers before that game, who will want to do Ange over because of his celtic history. Then United in the QF and Liverpool away.

I think he's gone by the very latest, after Liverpooll away when we will get our asses handed to us.

We could very easily be looking at

Chelsea H Loss
Rangers A Loss
Southampton A Draw or Loss
United H Loss
Liverpool A Loss.

Even a win at Rangers which I genuinely cannot see us doing, and get a point or win at Southampton, is that really going to be enough?

Because I am telling you now, we won't beat United in the QF or Liverpool at Anfield..
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Even assuming we beat Rangers and Southampton like we should, 3 convincing defeats by big 6 rivals (knocking us out of the cup in the process) should be hard to survive for Ange.

Feels a bit like it all hinges on the United game.
 
Hampshire Spur said:
Board could be proactive as stealth looking for a world class manager. Brighton do that and its like a hand in glove with replacements. Mason mates for 6 months is just a waste of everybodys time.
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Brighton are incredible at getting consistently good managers. Levy really needs to study what it is they are doing and try to figure out how he can capture some of that magic. At some point some of these smaller clubs actually might dislodge us in relation to themselves.
 
rolling boh said:
Personally don't think this 'project' is going to work but abusing Ange is not right ,I know it's frustrating especially when fans travel and spend good money but better to lay off the personal abuse .
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Don't waste your tears on Ange. He said he doesn't give a toss what people say. His shoulders are broad.

He's a very lucky man, in a privileged position, earning shedloads of money which is being provided by us. Abuse from the fans should actually spur him into action. If it doesn't, there are plenty of people who would relish taking his place. For example, I'd come out of retirement to do it - for half his salary.

:nawty:
 
Aphex said:
Spot on. The summer window was abysmal and I said it at the time but was called negative. It wasn't negative, it was common sense.

Everyone could see we needed the bare minimum of one, but really two, top class wide attackers. And we got Werner back on loan and Odobert. Pathetic.
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Ultimately the club decided that Solanke and the same 10 that staggered to the finish last season were adequate.

Never known how to interpret that, really. Was it just Levy's typical complacency? Did Ange want more and not get it? Of course he said he was happy with the team, but he's got to say that.
 
Yeah some of fans overstepped mark last night with Ange. But we dont smash up coaches or cause trouble in europe. Tbh i think we are very good ambassadors in general. Were easy targets by other clubs cos we havent won much. The penalty of being a big club.
 
bk_spur said:
Brighton are incredible at getting consistently good managers. Levy really needs to study what it is they are doing and try to figure out how he can capture some of that magic. At some point some of these smaller clubs actually might dislodge us in relation to themselves.
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Tbh with brighton they have the luxury of gambling on new managers. Theyre well punching well above weight but do a lot of research and data picking managers and players. If it goes tits up they will drop like a stone though and tbh its no big deal if they lose a game or shit. With us its different as we are more scrutinised. Id have that mitoma and lamptey at brighton.
 
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