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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Some of teh Australian views on Ange and Mile (apologies if already posted).

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Spurs are a basket case, which is exactly why Jedinak and Ange are the best men for the job

Ange Postecoglou has signed Mile Jedinak as an assistant at Tottenham Hotspurs.
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'Instant respect': How Jedinak will handle Tottenham's stars

Newly-appointed assistant Mile Jedinak will command “instant respect” from Tottenham’s pampered stars the moment he steps into the Premier League club’s changing room, according to the fellow Aussie who spent five years with the Socceroos legend at Crystal Palace.
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That Mile Jedinak fella from Palace is v highly rated by their fans.

Seems like a good'un

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The truth is, no one knows what's going to happen. Personally, I barely got through the past four years, and i must admit, I didn't watch every game for the first time since giving up my season ticket and broadcasting being available. That was a first for me.
 
The Cryptkeeper said:
And yet another ignorant and baseless comment.

Managers coming from places like Australia or the US are starting from much further back. If anything it is a testament to the guy's ethos and ability to succeed at every step on the journey. Give me a guy like that over someone who has been gifted premium early opportunities and suckholed his way into roles.

The outright snobbery in here amongst many Spurs fans over this appointment is astonishing. Have you all enjoyed the last 4 years under Nuno, Mourinho and Conte? Some of you must have Stockholm Sydrome.
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Hai friend.
The Hawks still suck arse.

Ange has been fighting snobbery for a while now, he's used to it. Thrives on it.
 
Mince Charming said:
You're missing the point so let me put it another way: If there was a Guardiola or Pochettino managing in Australia or Japan, top clubs in Europe wouldn't have employed them either because like Ange they either wouldn't have been noticed or their achievements would have been dismissed. It has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with opportunity.
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You are missing my point too. If someone is actually that great and was the real deal+serial winner, they would have been given the opportunity before the age 58. You have only just signed up to the forum, so Im guessing you are an Ange fan rather than a spurs fan,. But one thing I can agree with you on is that we both hope he succeeds (even if I dont agree that his 'achievements' in the little leagues mean anything)
 
Ozzz said:
Some of teh Australian views on Ange and Mile (apologies if already posted).

www.ftbl.com.au

Spurs are a basket case, which is exactly why Jedinak and Ange are the best men for the job

Ange Postecoglou has signed Mile Jedinak as an assistant at Tottenham Hotspurs.
www.ftbl.com.au www.ftbl.com.au

www.ftbl.com.au

'Instant respect': How Jedinak will handle Tottenham's stars

Newly-appointed assistant Mile Jedinak will command “instant respect” from Tottenham’s pampered stars the moment he steps into the Premier League club’s changing room, according to the fellow Aussie who spent five years with the Socceroos legend at Crystal Palace.
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For those that can't be arsed reading it's basically "These soft pommie bastards will soon be beaten into shape"...
 
iz futbal said:
You are missing my point too. If someone is actually that great and was the real deal+serial winner, they would have been given the opportunity before the age 58. You have only just signed up to the forum, so Im guessing you are an Ange fan rather than a spurs fan,. But one thing I can agree with you on is that we both hope he succeeds (even if I dont agree that his 'achievements' in the little leagues mean anything)
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I didn't miss your point, I told you why it was nonsensical. Again: no he wouldn't have been given the opportunity because that opportunity didn't exist. You don't go from Australia to a top European club, regardless of how well you do. And it's not just top clubs - he's spoken before about how he couldn't even get interviews for English Championship/League One jobs back in the day.

You say that if he was that great/the real deal/a serial winner the opportunity would have come earlier. So talk me though a scenario where that might have happened. What could be have done that he didn't do in Australia to get this elusive opportunity?
 
Mince Charming said:
How though? He's won and won impressively wherever he's been, so I'd be interested to know what more he could have reasonably done to obtain these top European jobs you allude to. You touch on an important point here, because attitudes like these highlight the barriers which prevented a clearly very good coach from getting an opportunity in Europe for most of his career.

Take his time at Brisbane Roar for example. He takes over one of the worst teams, completely overhauls the squad and wins the Championship in both of two full seasons that he's there. He sets an Australian record in not only football but any sport for the longest unbeaten run, which still stands to this day. He introduces a style of football which essentially changes the way football is played or attempted to be played in the country.

And yet despite successes like this wherever he's been, how is that meant to be translated into an opportunity in Europe when such achievements are summarily dismissed because 'it's only Australia' or 'it's only Japan'? He was highly recommended for the Sunderland job at one stage and their chairman went with Chris Coleman, later giving the reason that he needed "a big name for the fans", i.e. somebody they'd actually heard of.

It's kind of a Catch-22 where he can't get a European opportunity because he doesn't have European experience, but he can't get European experience because he can't get that opportunity. Which is why this argument against him of "well if he was any good he would have been managing top clubs in Europe" is naive, and frankly a bit dumb.

What is clear is that there are very, very few pathways for an Australian coach or coaches from similar regions to get an opportunity in Europoe - Postecoglou is the one creating those pathways.
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Cracking post.
 
iz futbal said:
Its not just me who is dismissive about the Brisbane lion roar whatever or tokyo something wherever he managed. The reason top clubs in europe didnt employ him is not because of my personal views. The chairmen of the top clubs havent employed him either. Maybe they are dumb in employing the guardiolas and the pochetinos or maybe the opposite is true and starting out in a real league when he's almost 60 isnt as exciting as you'd think.
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You realise the reason he went to Yokohama was because the City Group employed him right? The same group that chose Pep who you keep mentioning. Seems they think he’s ok too
 
Mince Charming said:
Agreed. I think it's important to look at the detail of what he's done, rather than dismissively thinking it's only in such and such country or league.
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Have you given a thought that he might’ve been just too good for those leagues where the level is not high? Bielsa was heads above every other manager in Championship, and we’re talking about a competitive league. When he stepped into Premier League, it was a different story.
Mince Charming said:
He's stubborn as fuck, can be tactically inflexible to a degree and there was scant evidence of him bringing academy players through at Celtic.
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Not good. Our previous managers were just that and whilst I’d argue it’s standard for managers to trust their systems than chop and change every game, most people think it’s a weakness. I’d also say most managers tweak their systems to counter other systems, but those changes are often not noticeable.
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There's simply no way that an Australian has made it to the Premier League without being very good at what he does.
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Maybe, but there’s also a certain individual at helm of this football club, who’s proved times and times that he doesn’t have a clue. People have forgotten that really quick.
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He's also incredibly effective at achieving buy-in from players, supporters, coaches, the board, the lot - getting everybody firing in the same direction and behind a common cause is one of his strengths.
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Yeah, I can see that. Definitely you Aussies spamming how incredible Postecoglou is has paved the way for the man to do his work. I think this togetherness is important and possibly one of the foundamental pieces to put together a competitive team, but let’s see how it goes.
 
The Romanian Jack said:
Have you given a thought that he might’ve been just too good for those leagues where the level is not high? Bielsa was heads above every other manager in Championship, and we’re talking about a competitive league. When he stepped into Premier League, it was a different story.


Not good. Our previous managers were just that and whilst I’d argue it’s normal for managers to trust their systems, most people think it’s a weakness.

Maybe, but there’s also a certain individual at helm of this football club, who’s proved times and times that he doesn’t have a clue. People have forgotten that really quick.

Yeah, I can see that. Definitely you Aussies spamming how incredible Postecoglou is has paved the way for the man to do his work. I think this togetherness is important and possibly one of the foundamental pieces to put together a competitive team, but let’s see how it goes.
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That Maddison quote has got me absolutely loving Ange already.

No big sell. No begging.

'Whether you come or not you'll see a different Spurs under me!'

The guy just oozes confidence and self-belief. Let's hope it rubs off on the players.
 
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