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Management Ange Postecoglou
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Woe is them
Completely unsustainable.
I don't know. Our lot were on holiday for most of the season.
For one reason or another there hasn't been a normal Season since summer 19..... Next one starts summer 25.
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A "normal" season starting with a summer featuring the debut of a monthlong 32 team Club World Cup featuring (they hope) most of the players who would be playing at a 32 team normal World Cup.
Aren't their more CL 1st round fixtures from that season on too?
What could possibly go wrong.
This is part of my rationale for thinking the future of the sport is making more aggressive use of the 5 substitutions and thereby distributing the minutes load more broadly.What could possibly go wrong.
Hojbjerg's 60th game for club and country in a season is not going to be better than Pape Sarr's 15th.
Admittedly that was me for a bit of l'artistic effect lolWiz-cunt?There's no way GPT output that. But I can't honestly think what should be there in its place.
Maybe:
"Leading Tottenham, he's the business".
or
"Leading Tottenham and leaves no witnesses".
How though? He's won and won impressively wherever he's been, so I'd be interested to know what more he could have reasonably done to obtain these top European jobs you allude to. You touch on an important point here, because attitudes like these highlight the barriers which prevented a clearly very good coach from getting an opportunity in Europe for most of his career.
Take his time at Brisbane Roar for example. He takes over one of the worst teams, completely overhauls the squad and wins the Championship in both of two full seasons that he's there. He sets an Australian record in not only football but any sport for the longest unbeaten run, which still stands to this day. He introduces a style of football which essentially changes the way football is played or attempted to be played in the country.
And yet despite successes like this wherever he's been, how is that meant to be translated into an opportunity in Europe when such achievements are summarily dismissed because 'it's only Australia' or 'it's only Japan'? He was highly recommended for the Sunderland job at one stage and their chairman went with Chris Coleman, later giving the reason that he needed "a big name for the fans", i.e. somebody they'd actually heard of.
It's kind of a Catch-22 where he can't get a European opportunity because he doesn't have European experience, but he can't get European experience because he can't get that opportunity. Which is why this argument against him of "well if he was any good he would have been managing top clubs in Europe" is naive, and frankly a bit dumb.
What is clear is that there are very, very few pathways for an Australian coach or coaches from similar regions to get an opportunity in Europoe - Postecoglou is the one creating those pathways.
It's things like this that encourage me more than dominating in Scotland with Celtic.... How high can you elevate your team?
Agreed. I think it's important to look at the detail of what he's done, rather than dismissively thinking it's only in such and such country or league.
What he did at Brisbane hasn't really been repeated in the A-League, so it's not just a case of anybody could do it, because nobody else has to the same degree. Likewise, the J-League is another good example where he takes over a club languishing near the bottom of the table, who haven't won the league in 15 years, and wins it the very next season. I would genuinely question whether certain Premier League managers, past and present, could walk into that same situation (not even speaking the language) and achieve the same level of success.
Look, I get how a shit ton of Aussies invading the forum and exalting the virtues of this guy who until recently you'd never head of to an insane degree could be annoying as fuck. Personally, having had the life sucked out of me from living in England for over a decade, I've become a less idealistic, more pessimistic type of Australian who understands that this is a huge step up for Ange. And despite what you may have heard, he isn't perfect. He's stubborn as fuck, can be tactically inflexible to a degree and there was scant evidence of him bringing academy players through at Celtic.
Some of the pros are that he's a very good coach, successful everywhere he's been and from everything I've heard, a genuinely excellent leader. There's simply no way that an Australian has made it to the Premier League without being very good at what he does. He's had to have success every step of his career or he simply wouldn't have reached this level given the barriers he's faced. He's also incredibly effective at achieving buy-in from players, supporters, coaches, the board, the lot - getting everybody firing in the same direction and behind a common cause is one of his strengths.
Incidentally, I'm not saying he'll make you guys love Levy, but the feeling towards the board at Celtic when he came in after they'd blown the 10 in a row was pretty extreme to say the least. I mean, some of their supporters had just firebombed the chairman's house ffs. But then Ange strolls in on his own and manages to convince a notoriously difficult board to back him in a way that Rodgers never was, based on the success of the signings he made and, I suspect just the fact that he's a reasonable, sensible person to work with who understands the club's financial limits and spends the club's money accordingly. Before too long hardly anybody was moaning about the board, as they watched great attacking football and felt a connection to the players on the pitch - maybe something similar will happen here.
Its not just me who is dismissive about the Brisbane lion roar whatever or tokyo something wherever he managed. The reason top clubs in europe didnt employ him is not because of my personal views. The chairmen of the top clubs havent employed him either. Maybe they are dumb in employing the guardiolas and the pochetinos or maybe the opposite is true and starting out in a real league when he's almost 60 isnt as exciting as you'd think.
Be sure to come in and admit you're a goose if and when the guy succeeds.
And yet another ignorant and baseless comment.
Managers coming from places like Australia or the US are starting from much further back. If anything it is a testament to the guy's ethos and ability to succeed at every step on the journey. Give me a guy like that over someone who has been gifted premium early opportunities and suckholed his way into roles.
The outright snobbery in here amongst many Spurs fans over this appointment is astonishing. Have you all enjoyed the last 4 years under Nuno, Mourinho and Conte? Some of you must have Stockholm Sydrome.
You're missing the point so let me put it another way: If there was a Guardiola or Pochettino managing in Australia or Japan, top clubs in Europe wouldn't have employed them either because like Ange they either wouldn't have been noticed or their achievements would have been dismissed. It has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with opportunity.
Many Spurs fans? There's only a handful of idiots mate. Don't box us all in the same category.
Absolutely, and I have done that before, I have no problem with that. It’s not like I am some football guru, I get things right and get things wrong, like everybody else.
Honestly, nobody cares what you have to say.
The majority of us will support Ange and are looking forward to seeing what he can do.