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Management Ange Postecoglou

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I've come to accept that this sort of thinking is limiting/limited.

Managers will move if they think there is good reason to move. I really don't know what those motivations are other than £££. But check the current situation with John Eustace who has just gone from play off chasing Blackburn to relegation threatened Derby. Makes no sense what so ever to the outside observer. But he's done it. Would imagine it's a bumper contract and promises galore.
Big concern here is Levy's reputation precedes him more than ever.

I can see it now (rings top class manager) - "Hello, it's Daniel here - just wanted to pick your brains about..." [dial tone...]
 
I've come to accept that this sort of thinking is limiting/limited.

Managers will move if they think there is good reason to move. I really don't know what those motivations are other than £££. But check the current situation with John Eustace who has just gone from play off chasing Blackburn to relegation threatened Derby. Makes no sense what so ever to the outside observer. But he's done it. Would imagine it's a bumper contract and promises galore.
Yeah its not impossible but just feels very unrealistic. 3 big roadblocks/issues that I can think of.

1) Would the manager want to leave their club during a season or have a preference to finish the season?
2) The club would have to pay a substantially higher fee (15-20m) to get them to come during the season.
3) We are giving them an awful start by bringing them in during an injury crisis where players are fatigued. It wouldn't take long for certain fans to question them after a few bad results as is very evident on here. Results mean everything to some fans and nothing else matters even if he was trying to implement new ideas and waiting for key players like Romero, VDV and Solanke to return.

Would be a lot easier just to hire them on 1st of June! Can implement his ideas during pre season without pressure of results and should have close to a full squad available for the start of the season.
 
Based on Ange’s system what is our best team, not best players but best team.

Thinking possibly something like the below.

Vicario
Spence Romero VDV Udogie
Kulusevski Bentancur Maddison
Odoburt Solanke Tel

- Still torn in the 6 as we have Bentancur/Bissouma/Gray. Bissouma might be the most natural but he has been very hot and cold and Gray hasn’t been tested in what is almost certainly his long term role.

- Our wingers in this system need to be ballers and beat players. Son and Johnson seems a bit unbalanced. Our wings need to be disruptive. Tel looks interesting and Odoburt we have a guy who puts the full backs on the back foot.

- Spence is just killing it and great at both ends.

- Kulusevski is such a creative force behind the front line but he isn’t great at knitting play together hence why Maddison is so essential for this team.

- Solanke is a no brainer no argument.

Bergvall at at the 6 imo
 
Big concern here is Levy's reputation precedes him more than ever.

I can see it now (rings top class manager) - "Hello, it's Daniel here - just wanted to pick your brains about..." [dial tone...]
I think as Spurs fans we're so invested in the performance of the side that we over catastrophize the perceived appeal of the club.

Yes we all view Levy as a cringey little toad, but you really think Iraola is gonna hang up the phone to the prospect of multiple millions of pounds worth of wages, and the possibility that just maybe he could be the one to bring a long overdue trophy to the club?

We're paying Ange £5m per year, imagine what an actual competent and qualified manager could demand off the back of that!
 
The EL is obviously a "could win" trophy, but how, given our performances over the past couple of months in the FA Cup, the Carabao Cup, and the League, could you possibly think Ange is the best available guy to maximise our chances of winning the EL?

No sane person could come to that conclusion.

The same is true re maximising our chances of staying up. I think we will stay up (even with Ange), but our chances would be improved with a better interim.
There wasnt 1 performance in EL so far to prove we could win it
 
blow in, blow out..bluff, bluster and take the money? Manage down, my doors always open, the usual bs . But while you're doing it dish out some advice on how you should support the club, provide some anecdotes, speeches , 'don't you say anything about my boys mate' .. and .......... 'I did it my way' . I get it, it's a retirement package?

what is weird is that people sing the manager songs. Pure cabaret. For someone with no connection to THFC, that is possibly a first?
Surely there can be no negatives about supporting your manager and players during games???

That's what you do as a real supporter.

Bitching and moaning should be reserved for in between games, and internet.
 
I don't really care what posters on here think tbh. I posted well before on here that Romero has had his head turned and a major club came in for him in the jan window (or at least stated they were interested) and was met with the same responses.

6 months or so later it's news that Madrid came in for him. When it's news that Maddison has had a falling out with Ange the same people will then claim "attention seeker" blah blah even though I've stated it the 10 plus years I've been on here that ive never been itk and I despise them...and I'm still not ITK but I do get some info now (within last year) because of my job.

I love Spurs and I'm blessed to now work for them so whilst certain loser twats try starting Internet cyber beefs I'll just do me. Thought it would be cool to post stuff I hear on here to a community of Spurs fans but nah it not really tbh.
I don't often comment seriously on matters like this.

The ITK stuff is often bravado.

Regarding Maddison; my son, who lives and works in London, told me the same thing you have said a few months back.

Somebody supposedly 'in the know' about Spurs had told him that Maddison is not that committed to Spurs and has an ambition to play abroad.

It's basically the same story.
 
Bergvall at at the 6 imo
I'd love Bervall to have a starting place, I love his passion, but not as a 6 - I know Biss and Bents give the ball away too much, but Bergvall even more so, the number of times he's played an over-confident pass sideways or backwards in his own half and giving it straight to the opposition is scary. Hopefully Gray will be the long-term solution as a 6, with Bergvall playing a more advanced role. Well, either that or he gets his own-half passing more disciplined...
 
If someone says "but who else are we going to get"
Or "what good does it do sacking him now"

Those kinds of statements are clear as day indicators that the person saying it is fucking blind and deaf and has NFI what is going on around them. Just ignore them and stop engaging.
 
If someone says "but who else are we going to get"
Or "what good does it do sacking him now"

Those kinds of statements are clear as day indicators that the person saying it is fucking blind and deaf and has NFI what is going on around them. Just ignore them and stop engaging.
It's weird though.

I've never known a manager to be so clueless and hopeless yet a significant minority clamour for his retention.

I am beginning to wonder if the Jesuits are at the back of it.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
 
I don't know why a portion of this fanbase keeps getting worked up over the possibility of managerial change. It's routine stuff, in fact clubs that football fans often envy in terms of how well run they are don't hesitate to pull the plug on their freshly appointed managers all the time. This season alone;

Dortmund sacked Sahin,a longtime former player of theirs mind you, after 6.5 months.
Milan sacked Fonseca, who had replaced their former title winning manager Pioli during the summer, after 6 months.
Roma sacked club legend De Rossi after 8 months, replaced with him Juric, and sacked him after 2 months as well.
Feyenoord sacked Priske after over 7 months.

Managerial change is not inherently destabilizing. Nor is there an arbitrary length of time, measured in years, a manager is owed before he can justifiably be sacked. It's a moot point in the context of this debate anyway, as Ange is already given more than enough time to show his worth.
Wonderful post.

Especially love the last paragraph about managerial change not necessarily being destabilising.

And besides, if after nearly two full seasons the manager is presiding over the worst fucking results and form in living memory than surely a bit of destabilising is exactly what we need.
 
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