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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
blow in, blow out..bluff, bluster and take the money? Manage down, my doors always open, the usual bs . But while you're doing it dish out some advice on how you should support the club, provide some anecdotes, speeches , 'don't you say anything about my boys mate' .. and .......... 'I did it my way' . I get it, it's a retirement package?

what is weird is that people sing the manager songs. Pure cabaret. For someone with no connection to THFC, that is possibly a first?
Surely there can be no negatives about supporting your manager and players during games???

That's what you do as a real supporter.

Bitching and moaning should be reserved for in between games, and internet.
 
I don't really care what posters on here think tbh. I posted well before on here that Romero has had his head turned and a major club came in for him in the jan window (or at least stated they were interested) and was met with the same responses.

6 months or so later it's news that Madrid came in for him. When it's news that Maddison has had a falling out with Ange the same people will then claim "attention seeker" blah blah even though I've stated it the 10 plus years I've been on here that ive never been itk and I despise them...and I'm still not ITK but I do get some info now (within last year) because of my job.

I love Spurs and I'm blessed to now work for them so whilst certain loser twats try starting Internet cyber beefs I'll just do me. Thought it would be cool to post stuff I hear on here to a community of Spurs fans but nah it not really tbh.
I don't often comment seriously on matters like this.

The ITK stuff is often bravado.

Regarding Maddison; my son, who lives and works in London, told me the same thing you have said a few months back.

Somebody supposedly 'in the know' about Spurs had told him that Maddison is not that committed to Spurs and has an ambition to play abroad.

It's basically the same story.
 
Bergvall at at the 6 imo
I'd love Bervall to have a starting place, I love his passion, but not as a 6 - I know Biss and Bents give the ball away too much, but Bergvall even more so, the number of times he's played an over-confident pass sideways or backwards in his own half and giving it straight to the opposition is scary. Hopefully Gray will be the long-term solution as a 6, with Bergvall playing a more advanced role. Well, either that or he gets his own-half passing more disciplined...
 
If someone says "but who else are we going to get"
Or "what good does it do sacking him now"

Those kinds of statements are clear as day indicators that the person saying it is fucking blind and deaf and has NFI what is going on around them. Just ignore them and stop engaging.
 
A lot of talk about the sale of Hojbjerg regarding the lack of protection for the defence.

Should Spurs have sold Ollie Skipp?

The boy loved to make tackles and give it simple.
I don't think Bentancur or Bissouma are incapable of doing that role.
They just seem to be anywhere but where they need to be. Which, given the frequency of it, seems to be tactical.
 
If someone says "but who else are we going to get"
Or "what good does it do sacking him now"

Those kinds of statements are clear as day indicators that the person saying it is fucking blind and deaf and has NFI what is going on around them. Just ignore them and stop engaging.
It's weird though.

I've never known a manager to be so clueless and hopeless yet a significant minority clamour for his retention.

I am beginning to wonder if the Jesuits are at the back of it.


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I don't know why a portion of this fanbase keeps getting worked up over the possibility of managerial change. It's routine stuff, in fact clubs that football fans often envy in terms of how well run they are don't hesitate to pull the plug on their freshly appointed managers all the time. This season alone;

Dortmund sacked Sahin,a longtime former player of theirs mind you, after 6.5 months.
Milan sacked Fonseca, who had replaced their former title winning manager Pioli during the summer, after 6 months.
Roma sacked club legend De Rossi after 8 months, replaced with him Juric, and sacked him after 2 months as well.
Feyenoord sacked Priske after over 7 months.

Managerial change is not inherently destabilizing. Nor is there an arbitrary length of time, measured in years, a manager is owed before he can justifiably be sacked. It's a moot point in the context of this debate anyway, as Ange is already given more than enough time to show his worth.
Wonderful post.

Especially love the last paragraph about managerial change not necessarily being destabilising.

And besides, if after nearly two full seasons the manager is presiding over the worst fucking results and form in living memory than surely a bit of destabilising is exactly what we need.
 
I think as Spurs fans we're so invested in the performance of the side that we over catastrophize the perceived appeal of the club.

Yes we all view Levy as a cringey little toad, but you really think Iraola is gonna hang up the phone to the prospect of multiple millions of pounds worth of wages, and the possibility that just maybe he could be the one to bring a long overdue trophy to the club?

We're paying Ange £5m per year, imagine what an actual competent and qualified manager could demand off the back of that!
Honestly I think he would at this point - we're not an attractive prospect (immediately) and they are building an exciting regime at Bournemouth, I think he'd see it as a risk perhaps not worth taking at this moment in time (that may change).

Where I do agree is that we are a big club and still have enough clout to pull a GOOD manager and this must be the aim once Angelos gets the boot.
 
Honestly I think he would at this point - we're not an attractive prospect (immediately) and they are building an exciting regime at Bournemouth, I think he'd see it as a risk perhaps not worth taking at this moment in time (that may change).

Where I do agree is that we are a big club and still have enough clout to pull a GOOD manager and this must be the aim once Angelos gets the boot.
I see it the opposite.

We're performing well below our level right now, any manager coming in and just achieving par will quite easily see us shoot up the league.

It seems as much as a no lose scenario as you could hope to get at this level.

Expectations are lower than they have been in goodness knows how long, and the wages on offer will be high.

No sane manager would look at Bournemouth/Spurs and decide that Bournemouth was the more exciting prospect, Iraola (if given the option) should be looking at the situation and thinking if he can achieve what he is doing at Bournemouth then what can he do with Spurs.
 
It's weird though.

I've never known a manager to be so clueless and hopeless yet a significant minority clamour for his retention.
I honestly think there's a proportion of our fanbase that feels more comfortable with our team being mid table also rans than a big 6 club challenging and competing for major honours.
They enjoy the lower expectations and prefer the plucky little underdog status and would rather to look up to our rivals than look them in the eye as equals.
You're right. It really is weird.
 
I see it the opposite.

We're performing well below our level right now, any manager coming in and just achieving par will quite easily see us shoot up the league.

It seems as much as a no lose scenario as you could hope to get at this level.

Expectations are lower than they have been in goodness knows how long, and the wages on offer will be high.
It's also a no lose scenario for Postecoglou. Next season he will be credited with pulling Spurs back up. He won't even have to make Champion's League. His fans will say, "He's taken up from 15th to 8th, isn't he wonderful?"
 
I honestly think there's a proportion of our fanbase that feels more comfortable with our team being mid table also rans than a big 6 club challenging and competing for major honours.
They enjoy the lower expectations and prefer the plucky little underdog status and would rather to look up to our rivals than look them in the eye as equals.
You're right. It really is weird.
Plenty of other teams they could anti-glory-hunt as fans of. Spam, Fulham, Palace. Cheaper tickets, much less expectations. Fulham is even a nice place to go Vs Tottenham.
 
A lot of talk about the sale of Hojbjerg regarding the lack of protection for the defence.

Should Spurs have sold Ollie Skipp?

The boy loved to make tackles and give it simple.
It's a shame, but he just didn't have the technical ability that we need, particularly given what Ange wants the 6 to do. He doesn't just want a destroyer who then gives it simple to others who can 'play football', he wants his 6 to be press-resistant, capable and confident in tight areas, and a good passer - Skippy was none of those things, bless him.
 
It's also a no lose scenario for Postecoglou. Next season he will be credited with pulling Spurs back up. He won't even have to make Champion's League. His fans will say, "He's taken up from 15th to 8th, isn't he wonderful?"
Well that depends on your assessment of Postecoglou, for him it could get worse...

Next season he could be credited as the first Manager to lead us into the Championship.

I make the no-lose comment on the basis that I don't believe that there is a more inept manager on the cards, and on the assumption that we will at the very least hire someone competent next.

However, knowing Spurs...

:levywtf:
 
It's a shame, but he just didn't have the technical ability that we need, particularly given what Ange wants the 6 to do. He doesn't just want a destroyer who then gives it simple to others who can 'play football', he wants his 6 to be press-resistant, capable and confident in tight areas, and a good passer - Skippy was none of those things, bless him.
Funny though, as none of our midfielders look like that after 18 months under Ange...
 
I'd love Bervall to have a starting place, I love his passion, but not as a 6 - I know Biss and Bents give the ball away too much, but Bergvall even more so, the number of times he's played an over-confident pass sideways or backwards in his own half and giving it straight to the opposition is scary. Hopefully Gray will be the long-term solution as a 6, with Bergvall playing a more advanced role. Well, either that or he gets his own-half passing more disciplined...

I would put Gray there but we haven't seen him actually play there yet. Long term for sure.

I can live with Bergvall making mistakes at 19. Bissouma makes worse mistakes and Bentancur just drifts through games.
 
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