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Richard Arlison said:
I’ll celebrate the EL for sure. Best thing to happen in my life as a Spurs fan.

I’ve never celebrated any coach getting sacked and never will.
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Very relatable post.
I too will celebrate if we win EL.

I mean, I feel that this is bit tarnished. It will not be 100% joy given the shit we have went through and given the fact that I am actually ashamed of who we are managed by. But still. It would be a trophy and for club having this title is better then not have it.

What regards being happy for manager being fired, here the views differ. I will be really happy for that.
Ange has been very passive-agressive and very often against his own fans. Or differently put, against players that pay his salary.
 
White Van Jan said:
every Spurs fan knows that the EUFA was far harder to win than this farmer's tinpot knockout.

In the final we beat the team that knocked out Clough's Forest in the semis.

Villa too in it. Both of those had won Div 1 not so long back.

If Real werent in it it was because Barcekona were and vice versa.

Celtic and Aberdeen were great teams then too.

Bodo in the semis this time? Different gravy.
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In the old UEFA Cup and EC format more teams that ultimately won their league title that season played in the UEFA Cup than played in the EC.

Put another way, more of the best (say) 20 club sides in the world were in the UEFA than in the EC
 
TheSpurEst said:
Very relatable post.
I too will celebrate if we win EL.

I mean, I feel that this is bit tarnished. It will not be 100% joy given the shit we have went through and given the fact that I am actually ashamed of who we are managed by. But still. It would be a trophy and for club having this title is better then not have it.

What regards being happy for manager being fired, here the views differ. I will be really happy for that.
Ange has been very passive-agressive and very often against his own fans. Or differently put, against players that pay his salary.
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Not sure I follow here tbh

In terms of Ange and his relationship with the fans, I can see where people are coming from because his comments around the City game last year and the reactions to fans winding him up.

I think he's thin-skinned and made too many mistakes with the squad construction but I've never really seen passive aggressive tbh. IMO he's defended the club more recently since it's been obviously his last season than the likes of Conte and Jose did when they first arrived.
 
Mostly wrong said:
It's really pissing me off at the moment that the Ange In brigade are back with a bang just because we're in a final. News flash, I know you lot have mostly only been following us for about 5 minutes but we've been in numerous finals since our league cup victory and lost every single one of them. Stop counting your chickens before they hatch, the way this post is phrased makes it sound like Ange has already won the fucking thing when we have a very tricky tie against United to traverse first, a team who actually has recent pedigree of winning cups.

Oh and by the way if Ange winning Europa is enough of a success to discount him as our worst manager in PL history, are you all going to finally admit he IS our worst PL manager ever if/when United crush our dreams next wednesday?
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Yeah I've supported Spurs for 40ish years, grew up on the stands at WHL with my Dad. I only moved here 14 years ago.

If we lose the final, then it will be one of the worst seasons in our history. To finish 17th and trophyless is so far outside of satisfactory that it will take a long time to get over. Chances are it'll take a while to recover from. I lay the blame more at Levy than Ange for hiring him in the first place. Although Ange isn't without blame for sure.

However if we win the EL then the qualification for the CL, the revenue, the pulling power for a new manager and new players would make a massive difference to the club.

So when we look at it without being over emotional, is someone that managed to guide us to the first trophy in 17 years and the first European trophy in 42 years the worst manager in our history?

If he loses the final, I agree with you, if he wins it, we've had worse seasons.
 
So I saw someone post the video from exactly year ago when Ange went on to question small part of fans who hinted that maybe we should not go into Man City game with full force.

Some comments by him (taken from media transcripts) :
"The last 48 hours have revealed to me the foundations are fairly fragile. That's what I feel," the Australian said in his post-match press conference. "Outside, inside. Everywhere. It's been an interesting exercise.

"What do you think is going to happen? What do you think we are going to do as a team, or any team on this planet? Aren't we going to just try to win? It's a simple premise. How that makes people feel, I'm not really fussed and I don't really care."

"I understand rivalry. I was part of one of the biggest ones in the world in the last couple of years with Celtic and Rangers," the Spurs boss said. "But I've never, and will never, understand if someone wants their own team to lose. That's not what sport is about. It's not what I love about the game."
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I mean. What. How is not a single journalist reminding him his own words?
He had such a hard time understanding not maybe fully wanting to win one game? And now?
Now he has no problem whatsoever to spit into fans faces week after week after week. Losing regardless of who we play against.

Where are the "foundations" now? Where is this wanting to win and perform ALWAYS gone now?
Why is he not questioned about it? I really don't get.

This just shows that he is full of crap. He is just making excuses to make him look better. Cause that is what REALLY matters for him. Not winning. Not "foundations". Not building something.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Very relatable post.
I too will celebrate if we win EL.

I mean, I feel that this is bit tarnished. It will not be 100% joy given the shit we have went through and given the fact that I am actually ashamed of who we are managed by. But still. It would be a trophy and for club having this title is better then not have it.

What regards being happy for manager being fired, here the views differ. I will be really happy for that.
Ange has been very passive-agressive and very often against his own fans. Or differently put, against players that pay his salary.
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It's just more satisfying when you actually feel the reward is earned and deserved.

Ultimately we know from the league performance that this team is either absolutely shit, or pathetically unmotivated, maybe even a little bit of both.

The win would be fantastic, but it is neither the culmination of a great team being built, nor the start of a new glorious era. It'll just be a nice evening, and a few days of afterglow, which Brighton will probably nip right in the bud a few days later.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not sure I follow here tbh

In terms of Ange and his relationship with the fans, I can see where people are coming from because his comments around the City game last year and the reactions to fans winding him up.

I think he's thin-skinned and made too many mistakes with the squad construction but I've never really seen passive aggressive tbh. IMO he's defended the club more recently since it's been obviously his last season than the likes of Conte and Jose did when they first arrived.
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I mean, first of all he did cup his ear towards the fans questioning him.
And then shortly after he was not man enough to admit doing this, spouting out crap like "oh well, I guess I cannot celebrate a goal, well fine then" :D . That is passive-aggressive AND gaslighting two in one for me.

Ok, well maybe most of his passive-aggressive things have been with his interactions with media and not directed at the club. But still I feel that this does not generate too positive of an image.
 
TheSpurEst said:
I mean, first of all he did cup his ear towards the fans questioning him.
And then shortly after he was not man enough to admit doing this, spouting out crap like "oh well, I guess I cannot celebrate a goal, well fine then" :D . That is passive-aggressive AND gaslighting two in one for me.

Ok, well maybe most of his passive-aggressive things have been with his interactions with media and not directed at the club. But still I feel that this does not generate too positive of an image.
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Fair enough on the ear cupping tbh. I'd forgotten that one. He definitely got caught out on that one.

Would still love to see him cup his ear to the Spurs fans after winning the EL. Even as a final getsure on the way out. Would probably be the funniest thing a Spurs manager has done in years.
 
TheSpurEst said:
1) We did finish 5th. Based on return from first 10 games.
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It's even worse than what you're getting at.

Our last 11 matches of last season (when we werent in Europe)

we got 13pts out of 33.

Teams we beat:

Luton;
Sheff Utd
Burnely

(all relegated)

oh, and Forest who just survived.

Over a season that's 45 pts

But seeing as that small sample includes 3 relegated teams, even thats an artificially high number of points.

And no Europe. At the start of that dismal run we'd played just 30 matches. Knocked out first round LC by FFC (terrible perfomrnace) and in round 4 of FA cup having squeaked past the soon to be relegated Burnley at home with a last minute screamer.

pld 11
pts 13
lost 6
GA 22 - 2 a game

We'd fallen off a cliff if anyone was awake enough to see it

First 10 games top
Last 10 games 15th
 
Another thing that has been bugging me recently about our EL situation - yes, we do need a trophy and getting to Champions League would be awesome. I'd very much like to go to CL home game in our awesome stadium (until that fraud of manager is very far away).

But I mean... one does have to consider opposition too, shouldnt one?

So I checked the results and Transfermarkt information.
In order to reach the final, we have beat following sides - Quarabag, Ferencvaros, AZ Alkmaar, Hoffenheim, Elfsborg, Frankfurt, Bodo/Glimt. All of their squad values COMBINED as of today is 730 million (!).

Ours is 836 million. During Ange time here, we've seen net spend of 271,5 million EUR.
So greater then any other side's squad value bar Frankfurt (!).

Just take that in - all who we have to overcome to reach this stage combined are worth 100 million less than our side. Most worth much less under we have invested just during Ange reign. And still to get to final we have had to sacrifice everything else.

Having such level of manager is clear disadvantage to the team. He is a manager who requires a fully working and fully fueled Lamborgini to beat a horse in 1 km race on straight asphalt track. No chance if it would be horse against horse. Would even most likely lose if he'd be driving normal passenger car :D .
 
manmountainbutters said:
In the old UEFA Cup and EC format more teams that ultimately won their league title that season played in the UEFA Cup than played in the EC.

Put another way, more of the best (say) 20 club sides in the world were in the UEFA than in the EC
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Man, even the Cup Winners' Cup was unreal back in the day...and much more fierce than this season's EL. Fuck you Ange, I ain't diminishing your legendary achievement, I'm just talking facts.

That Parma side from early 90s (that made a few finals IIRC) was literally incredible. PSG made two finals in a row and what a side they had even before all that Qatari cash. The great Barca with the original Ronaldo won it. Few years prior I seem to recall there was the likes of Napoli, Real, Juve, Ajax, Monaco, Dortmund, Atletico, Roma, Porto competing in it. Our cunty next door neighbours obviously won it, as did the criminal chavs in blue and the northern pricks we're about to face in Bilbao.
 
polarbear said:
Sacking him immediately after the final when we have won will be lovely

The icing on the cake
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While I think he needs to go, what kind of message does this give to any other manager that comes here? They will just Bin off the cups as if they don't get Top 4 then they are gone regardless , again like i said to be 17th is inexcusable and I think he walks any way if we win it himself, but if we sack him after winning the final we go back to the Poch days where top 4 was our everything!
 
Deuterz said:
Finishing 17th (!!!) and focusing down one a much easier thing to succeed in isn’t acceptable ??? The level of coaching is atrocious.

It doesn’t send out a ‘top 4 is our everything’ message, it sends out a coach the team properly message.
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I think he is the kind of guy to leave on his own accord if we win it, go out on a high having said you always win things in your second season, rather than get sacked come christmas as we are sat in the bottom half of the table.
 
Fattynomates said:
I think he is the kind of guy to leave on his own accord if we win it, go out on a high having said you always win things in your second season, rather than get sacked come christmas as we are sat in the bottom half of the table.
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He won't leave on his own accord

He'd be saying goodbye to millions in a pay off

How often do managers just leave? especially when they are on the brink of the sack
 
Wild Night said:
Ange knows he's a near cert to lose his job , that's why he's balls in to win the cup and fuck the league . He can walk away and for the rest of his life repeat his mantra "I win things in my second season !" , and who can contradict him , but the carnage left behind from the league campaign will be massive with life long scars , and left for others to clean up .
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Such dramatic nonsense.

Carnage?

If we have a good campaign next season, which we will with the right manager, there will be no carnage.

A few thousand people protesting isn't carnage.
 
Fattynomates said:
While I think he needs to go, what kind of message does this give to any other manager that comes here? They will just Bin off the cups as if they don't get Top 4 then they are gone regardless , again like i said to be 17th is inexcusable and I think he walks any way if we win it himself, but if we sack him after winning the final we go back to the Poch days where top 4 was our everything!
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Depends on who that manager is. The kind of manager we want will try and win pretty much every competition ( any sensible coach looks at this season and fucks the League Cup off).
 
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