Management Ange Postecoglou

[Jaynola]

Why are you bothering? You may as well be talking to a wall. He’s going to act like Ange masterminded wins against Madrid, PSG and Barca and not Bodo then United in a final.

The facts are clear and laid out. It doesn’t matter as emotion was always going to win between now and the inevitable continuation of being shit when we come up against decent peers.

‘Uh-ma-gawd he said da third see-son is gun’ be eeevernn bettah, aura!!’ is the level you’ll get from these clowns. They probably genuinely think we can win a league or CL under him because we won against this Utd side in a final.

That’s their level. Don’t sink to it.

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I'm a generous soul, what can I say.

But you're right, gotta pick your battles. And that lad is beyond saving.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Easy to say now, we were chasing premier league titles then. That’s what genuinely excellent teams have to do, compromise on what competition is important. If we’d fucked off league titles to chase a Europa league I doubt people would have been thrilled.

To us now, the Europa league was our everything and easily the simplest, most likely route to the CL and to save Ange’s job. So of course we prioritised it. Finish top 4 or beat Alkmaar, Frankfurt, Bodo and United .. oh boy I wonder which is tougher to do.

Poch went for the stars .. CL and PL. He fell short but wouldn’t swap that Ajax game, that win over Madrid or those wins over City, Dortmund etc for winning another Europa league. Fuck that shit, we danced with Europe’s actual elite, we came close to being actual champions of Europe. That was worth it.

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Maybe when we’ve won the PL and CL like Liverpool we can afford to sack it off,

Maybe now we’ve actually won it, these players have the self belief and know how to contend for the two biggest trophies in European club football.

Maybe we were a banter club under Poch because we tried to run before walking and now we are actually ready to step up.

Either way, this was a huge step for our club and this team.

 

[Richard Arlison]

I mean the thing that needs to be accepted as fact now is that winning the Europa League *is* in fact thrilling, as is winning a domestic cup. The "only PL and CL count" people are just incorrect and always have been.

The specific moment of that Dortmund game when we were hanging on by our fingernails as Little Cinderella Leicester City's only challenger, with the promise of them collapsing always in the air, was a uniquely difficult one, I offer Poch and Levy some grace there.

But the GENERAL PRINCIPLE is that Levy has never, ever provided the resources to make winning the PL or CL a reasonable aim, and so he and his managers' remit to throw their entire limited pool toward those competitions and forget about other trophies we had much more legitimate ambitions of winning was a big mistake and a recipe for exactly the kind of drought we experienced.

I would love for this to be a moment to change the club's way of doing business and make an absolute commitment to being the best team in Europe. But we all know that's not happening, we all know the Levy Handbrake remains firmly on. Under those circumstances the "lesser cups" mean a hell of a lot, as they always have in the club's decorated and glorious history!

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Nicely put!

 

[Richard Arlison]

I'm a generous soul, what can I say.

But you're right, gotta pick your battles. And that lad is beyond saving.

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Is that what you were trying to do?

Save me?

 

[Harrier]

Call yourself a Tottenham fan but you can't even spell Christian Eriksen's name you fucking idiot.

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He’s obviously a troll if you check his posts.

 

[Bazali]

They’d have to say sacked. Everyone involved would look amazingly stupid if we tried to spin this as a mutual parting.

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We looked stupid when Leve sacked Jol at half time by text so a clear precedent

We also looked stupid when he sacked Jose a couple of days before a cup final

Levy is capable of anything!

 

[Spaniel]

Easy to say now, we were chasing premier league titles then. That’s what genuinely excellent teams have to do, compromise on what competition is important. If we’d fucked off league titles to chase a Europa league I doubt people would have been thrilled.

To us now, the Europa league was our everything and easily the simplest, most likely route to the CL and to save Ange’s job. So of course we prioritised it. Finish top 4 or beat Alkmaar, Frankfurt, Bodo and United .. oh boy I wonder which is tougher to do.

Poch went for the stars .. CL and PL. He fell short but wouldn’t swap that Ajax game, that win over Madrid or those wins over City, Dortmund etc for winning another Europa league. Fuck that shit, we danced with Europe’s actual elite, we came close to being actual champions of Europe. That was worth it.

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You simply can't mention poch and postefraudlou in the same breath...or even the same sentence...

 

[JimothyCF14]

It was prophetic. To be nearly Relegated and yet to win a meaningless trophy against meaningless competition proves Angie is a fluke

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Fuck off.

I speak as someone who thinks Ange ain't all that, but fuck off. Theres been nothing meaningless about the last few days.

So I repeat: fuck off.

 

[Jaynola]

Is that what you were trying to do?

Save me?

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I tried my damn hardest, but you were too far gone.

You still make me laugh and I kinda love you for it.

 

[Eli]

I'm a Tottenham Hotspur fan to my own Fault that's for damned sure. An American who Chose to support Spurs only a few years ago from afar just for the coach Poch and Kane and Son and Erickson. Call me whatever you wish I couldn't care less. You're accepting a Top tier club that Routinely performs as Mids and you think what happened this season is a ok because you're Stupid enough to Waste pesos supporting Levy and Angie. Ridiculous. Knob slobberer.

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By the end of the bank holiday weekend your gonna be gone me thinks!

 

[daveyboy88]

You currently have to beat harder teams to win domestic cups in England than current format EL- fact.

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yea thats the case today, even tho the big teams in england show it no respect at all, they play backup keepers and all sorts in it. but the cup itself has big history and prestige. the likes of celtic and rangers would consider winning the europa as a better achievement than winning their league, as would many leagues around europe.

 

[Richard Arlison]

I tried my damn hardest, but you were too far gone.

You still make me laugh and I kinda love you for it.

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Fair

The smart people I know gave up trying ages ago.

Love you too mate

 

[MemphisWill]

I mean the thing that needs to be accepted as fact now is that winning the Europa League *is* in fact thrilling, as is winning a domestic cup. The "only PL and CL count" people are just incorrect and always have been.

The specific moment of that Dortmund game when we were hanging on by our fingernails as Little Cinderella Leicester City's only challenger, with the promise of them collapsing always in the air, was a uniquely difficult one, I offer Poch and Levy some grace there.

But the GENERAL PRINCIPLE is that Levy has never, ever provided the resources to make winning the PL or CL a reasonable aim, and so he and his managers' remit to throw their entire limited pool toward those competitions and forget about other trophies we had much more legitimate ambitions of winning was a big mistake and a recipe for exactly the kind of drought we experienced.

I would love for this to be a moment to change the club's way of doing business and make an absolute commitment to being the best team in Europe. But we all know that's not happening, we all know the Levy Handbrake remains firmly on. Under those circumstances the "lesser cups" mean a hell of a lot, as they always have in the club's decorated and glorious history!

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It's misleading to say Levy has never provided the resources. Levy doesn't have the resources. Lewis has the resources. Lewis has never provided the resources.

 

[MemphisWill]

Not a single team we’ve played would be top half in the prem. The one we played in the final are literally 16th and were somehow unbeaten in the same competition.

It’s a big trophy due to the reward (CL) and because it’s a European cup. Its prestige is very high in relation to the actual competitive challenge.

If the FA cup gave you CL it would immediately become a better trophy - you play much better teams.

None of which should alter the enjoyment of winning it, but in that context I’m not gonna bum lick Ange or indulge in him massaging his own back for doing it either. Thanks for getting over the line and breaking our duck but we all have eyes and can see the quality of the teams we played.

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TBF, the FA Cup is only 6 matches for a PL team and often only 1-2 difficult matches for the eventual winner.

Palace beat City, Villa, and Fulham. Their other matches were Millwall, Doncaster, and Stockport.

Not to take anything away from them, wonderful accomplishment and I would love for us to win the FA Cup again.

FA Cup 100% should convey a champions league spot. All domestic cups should (not the League Cup, a 2nd domestic cup is stupid). The champions league should once again be about rewarding winning something.

Anyway. We won a trophy, anyone that's not happy about it really ought to log off the forum and move on with their life. Anyone not still buzzing probably hates ENIC more than they love Spurs at this point.

 

[Deuterz]

TBF, the FA Cup is only 6 matches for a PL team and often only 1-2 difficult matches for the eventual winner.

Palace beat City, Villa, and Fulham. Their other matches were Millwall, Doncaster, and Stockport.

Not to take anything away from them, wonderful accomplishment and I would love for us to win the FA Cup again.

FA Cup 100% should convey a champions league spot. All domestic cups should (not the League Cup, a 2nd domestic cup is stupid). The champions league should once again be about rewarding winning something.

Anyway. We won a trophy, anyone that's not happy about it really ought to log off the forum and move on with their life. Anyone not still buzzing probably hates ENIC more than they love Spurs at this point.

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City, Fulham and Villa is a much harder run than Frankfurt, Bodo and United. Villa are a CL calibre QF team who beat PSG, Bayern etc this very season and City are miles ahead of Manchester United. Fulham away is a very tough fixture.

I don’t think there’s anyone not happy. Or at least very few. Most people in this thread are just contextualising the trophy win because this is the Ange thread and we’re discussing his future as a coach. It doesn’t take away from the trophy win, us winning anything would’ve been a huge day.

The whole point, for me, is us being those teams shouldn’t save Ange’s job. It should allow him to walk away with dignity but we have still ultimately massively failed against our peers.

I feel like some people expect every post right now to be ‘we won the cup go Ange COYS’ which is fair enough but all a bit pointless. I don’t feel the need to be performative about enjoying a win.

 

[sudoku]

You simply can't mention poch and ange in the same breath...or even the same sentence...

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Yep. Ange actually knows how to win.

 

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[Deuterz]

Yep. Ange actually knows how to win.

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Yeah see? Posts like this are embarrassing. I’m sure if Pochettino sacrificed league seasons for the weakest possible cup he would have known how to win too.

Unfortunately for him, he was a good manager, we got top 4 easily most seasons and therefore our finalist opponents were 98 point Liverpool instead of 16th place Man United, and to get there he had to beat 100 point City and an incredible Ajax team instead of Norwegians.

Pochettino won a league and cup with PSG as well. So I guess he knows how to win as long as the opponents are weaker .. go figure.

As if Ange could ever have coached us past some of the best sides in Europe. Give me a fucking break.

 

[MemphisWill]

City, Fulham and Villa is a much harder run than Frankfurt, Bodo and United. Villa are a CL calibre QF team who beat PSG, Bayern etc this very season and City are miles ahead of Manchester United. Fulham away is a very tough fixture.

I don’t think there’s anyone not happy. Or at least very few. Most people in this thread are just contextualising the trophy win because this is the Ange thread and we’re discussing his future as a coach. It doesn’t take away from the trophy win, us winning anything would’ve been a huge day.

The whole point, for me, is us being those teams shouldn’t save Ange’s job. It should allow him to walk away with dignity but we have still ultimately massively failed against our peers.

I feel like some people expect every post right now to be ‘we won the cup go Ange COYS’ which is fair enough but all a bit pointless. I don’t feel the need to be performative about enjoying a win.

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I've been saying for months that Ange has to go, regardless of the trophy. If the trophy had been the CL, I'd say the same.

Winning a cup simply can't outweigh the worst season in 50 years. And, really, you might have to go back 90 years to 34-35 when we were relegated. That's the last time we lost the majority of our matches.

And the worst 18 month period of sustained league failure in - I don't know, I haven't analyzed that - maybe ever. I feel like the few remaining Ange supporters lack a real understanding of how historically bad we have been since November 2023.

Like not just a bad patch of form and some unlucky injuries. I really do not believe Tottenham has ever endured a worse 18 month period, EL trophy aside.

 

[Deuterz]

I've been saying for months that Ange has to go, regardless of the trophy. If the trophy had been the CL, I'd say the same.

Winning a cup simply can't outweigh the worst season in 50 years. And, really, you might have to go back 90 years to 34-35 when we were relegated. That's the last time we lost the majority of our matches.

And the worst 18 month period of sustained league failure in - I don't know, I haven't analyzed that - maybe ever. I feel like the few remaining Ange supporters lack a real understanding of how historically bad we have been since November 2023.

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Yeah I don’t think people realise how much cups are down to factors outside of even a very good managers control. Di Matteo is the best example - two cups in a season including the biggest trophy in Europe. Was he elite? Was he fuck. Shit loads of luck and right place right time.

Ten Haag won a trophy in both his seasons. Born winner? Maybe. According to some logic on here he would be.

Ange focused the hell out of Europa, the team was clearly ultra committed and let’s all be honest and admit we had a very kind run and a pretty incredible team to be facing in a final. It all came together for us. Awesome, it’s about fucking time.. to win the CL we would have to have beaten two sides who got 198 points combined. We needed some fucking luck.