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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Because we’ve just won a cup and fans are mostly emotional idiots who are blinded by it and have now forgotten a year and a half of shite because we beat 16th in a final.

I hope and trust the club are not as emotional or idiotic. Paratici especially. Not a huge fan of him but he is ruthless and will look at the facts. This is not a man to lead us to consistent results or success at the top level of the sport.

We face our Ten Haag, Di Matteo moment - a poor coach happening upon a cup. We can make the same mistake or go and get a proper coach in. Or continue the year and a half of absolutely garbage and our worst finish in forever.

Di Matteo masterminded his club to their first ever CL title against Barcelona and Bayern Munich after masterminding an FA cup win + also got them up the league. By the reasons people give to keep Ange he’s a genius. That achievement dwarves Ange’s.
Manure sacked van gall after. Up
In 2016 I believe as well.
 
My head says he is out of his depth at a team competing for top 4/5 every season. He has a low ceiling & his level is more of a mid table team. He is a decent manager & without the injuries I think would have finished top half. But he has his limitations & I can’t see him taking us further long term.
My heart says he won us an European cup & it seems so cold to sack him. So give him until Christmas & see where we at. & maybe the momentum of the cup win etc takes us forward. But my head tells me it will be the same old with his limitations getting in the way. Then you throw in all the incompetence of levy & Enic & lack of ambition & it’s not looking hopeful is it! The cup win has papered over a lot of cracks. Plus he could sign some more dubious players who are quick but technically limited. Then it’s another rebuild & next season will be a transitional one for a new manager who takes over half way through the season.
But on the flip side I think any new manager will struggle with Enic & levy holding us back. Everyone before has so why would frank or anyone else be any different. Be interesting to see what levy does?
It’s the signing of players I worry about with Ange. I’m sure he wants Tel to stay and I reckon we will do like we did with turbo. Next week or so it will be announced. Instead of spending the money on the Brentford lads like wide or mbuoe or even eze who Ange didn’t wa t last summer.
 
But this year before Europa KO stage we were 1-0 up v pool in first leg. 2nd leg we completely bottled it and were lambs to slaughter. What happened to the winning mentality? The KO stage of Europa b AZ didn’t start till March 13th. So why couldn’t we have done better v dippers to get us to final?

Well, in the 2nd leg we had to give a debut to Danso and Tel, who hadn't even trained with the squad yet.

Porro wasn't fit to start, so we had to play 18 year old Grey at right back; a position he had never played - next to a CB making his debut.

We were missing Solanke, and Richarlison was only fit enough for 45 mins.

Liverpool had an extra days reset before the game.

Bissouma forgot how to play football.
 
That only holds if you think Ange was a positive to the Cup run. Anyone who's seen our performances over the last 101 matches should probably have surmised long ago that he's a negative.

Of course he was a net positive to the Cup run. He won the damned thing! There is absolutely no certainty someone else in his place mid-season or even earlier would have won it when 4 decades worth of other managers couldn't.
 
Ok, then how did Ange's experience manifest itself to do what Mason and Wells wouldn't have been able to?

No one seems to be able to offer me any actual substance regarding this.

I don't think I've been unreasonable.

Just looking for clear answers that make actual sense.

Nah, you're being obtuse.

We won. That's the manifestation.

And his years of managing and the cups he has won is the reason.

Youre being given the answer, you just don't care to accept it.
 
i think mason played at a much higher level than ange his entire life and knows the game much better. maybe he can't tug at the heartstrings and tell the squad to do it for your mom like ange but i suspect mason knows much, much more about tactics than ange. is it all tactics? of course not, but suggesting ange is some kind of wise old soul who's seen it all is ludicrous

Its more ludicrous to suggest Mason is and shows extreme bias against someone you have already show extreme bias against.

Your opinion on this means very little.
 
Of course he was a net positive to the Cup run. He won the damned thing! There is absolutely no certainty someone else in his place mid-season or even earlier would have won it when 4 decades worth of other managers couldn't.
The club has won nearly everything it's won in the Ange era, what little that is, in spite of him. He's just set a record for defeats, lost the majority of his matches, and has the worst record in general of any manager since Ramos or since the 1990s depending on your measure.

A replacement level manager would have raised all results, and would just as easily have been able to stroll through a competition where we faced no one on our level until the final. Which final was won improbably, once again, without our registering a shot on goal from our own feet.

No one can claim Ange is a net positive, there are two years of data stacked up to the ceiling that say otherwise.
 
A replacement level manager would have raised all results, and would just as easily have been able to stroll through a competition where we faced no one on our level until the final. Which final was won improbably, once again, without our registering a shot on goal from our own feet.

Please explain how Conte got knocked out of the cups by Forest, Middlesborough and Sheffield. Then knocked out of Europe after being beaten by the mighty Mura, Rennes and Vitese.

How about the great Jose. Knocked out of cups by Norwich, Everton and then crashed out of Europe to RB Leipzig and then Dynamo Zagrab.

Maybe asked Poch about being knocked out by Colchester, Palace, West Ham? Getting knocked out of Europe by Gent.

Why didn't Jose / Conte / Poch stroll through these teams that aren't "on our level" ?
 
One thing in Ange’s defence is our squad depth is poor.
Please explain how Conte got knocked out of the cups by Forest, Middlesborough and Sheffield. Then knocked out of Europe after being beaten by the mighty Mura, Rennes and Vitese.

How about the great Jose. Knocked out of cups by Norwich, Everton and then crashed out of Europe to RB Leipzig and then Dynamo Zagrab.

Maybe asked Poch about being knocked out by Colchester, Palace, West Ham? Getting knocked out of Europe by Gent.

Why didn't Jose / Conte / Poch stroll through these teams that aren't "on our level" ?
That’s football, shit happens. We’ve all seen our team get beat in cup competitions. I’ve always wondered if it was the arrogance of the fans and players, showing up to play “middle of nowhere farmers league teams” putting in minimal effort, and consequently embarrassing themselves.

Ange nearly lost to a non league side, and he’s lost a lot more than anyone mentioned above.
 
22 league defeats people.

He's lost more league games than he's won since he joined the club.

We have got progressively worse since he started with a reducing PPG with every passing month in the league.

He had to throw the league in order to beat AZ Alkmaar, Frankfurt, Bodo/glimt and Man UTD
(He said this, I think it was bullshit but he'll say anything to make it look like his master plan worked).

I get it, the heart says keep him but being sensible and getting rid is the right thing to do.
 
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If we want to be a successful club we labevto look at it that Ange has served his purpose . He was won us a trophy and got us to point A. But it is now time for someone else to get us to point B.
Now is the time to split while credit is high on both sides.
 
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