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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Matt1882 said:
I recall at the time we appointed him, that people suggested Ramos wasn't the reason Seville won 5 cups under him, it was the team behind him at Seville, IE DoF, scouts etc.
That was the model Levy desperately seemed to want anyway, a coach that could be changed every 2-3 years but a backroom team that stayed and kept the consistency going.
He has pretty much said this publicly as well. Although I can't find anything to prove it, he's definitely said there is a trend abroad whereby manages come and go within 2 years but staff remain the same. And teams succeed that way.
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Yeah he's been on about it since 2003. We were also one of the first clubs to bring in a sporting director, in the european model.
People think Levy is a control freak but by evidence he's been trying to hand off the footballing side the whole time - it just doesn't seem like we've manage to hire anyone useful at it beyond Collini, and anyone decent hasn't really had any patience or reality with how the club has had to organically manage its own funding, rather than the Chelsea model of financial absurdity that crept it. Then, we had both Redknapp and Poch (arguably our two most successful PL managers in terms of league performance and finishes) outright throw a complete wobbly about working under a sporting director.

We could probably do much much worse than getting a Monchi type of guy in to build a squad and culture and just having a half decent head coach to pick the team and tactics and knows their limits.
 
Matt1882 said:
Whilst that is all true, Mourninho is a coach for big games and we should have waited until after that final.
If only to end this exact debate before it ever happened.

And also, had we left him in place and we still lost, Levy wouldn't have been afraid to sack Ange months ago.
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José could perfectly well have won that final the way we just won one. Resolute defending, setting up to be hard to beat, and hoping one counterattack or one critical bounce goes your way.

If you wanted a manager to win one match with a squad that's not all it should be, or all your opponents' is, he wouldn't be the worst choice. It was a terrible decision to sack him.

If we'd won that trophy we wouldn't be in this mad quest for one trophy, any trophy, ever since and we wouldn't be entertaining the idea of returning such an awful manager.
 
CJJ said:
Yeah he's been on about it since 2003. We were also one of the first clubs to bring in a sporting director, in the european model.
People think Levy is a control freak but by evidence he's been trying to hand off the footballing side the whole time - it just doesn't seem like we've manage to hire anyone useful at it beyond Collini, and anyone decent hasn't really had any patience or reality with how the club has had to organically manage its own funding, rather than the Chelsea model of financial absurdity that crept it. Then, we had both Redknapp and Poch (arguably our two most successful PL managers in terms of league performance and finishes) outright throw a complete wobbly about working under a sporting director.

We could probably do much much worse than getting a Monchi type of guy in to build a squad and culture and just having a half decent head coach to pick the team and tactics and knows their limits.
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It's all a catch 22 situation at Spurs.
It's rare we get a Jol, Redknapp or Poch, who can get a squad playing well above their perceived ability. More often than not, the coaches we get either get what the squad is capable of or worse.
And that's not too abnormal really. We just don't have the zest to fuck them off and try another one until we get it right like some others do.
 
Matt1882 said:
I recall at the time we appointed him, that people suggested Ramos wasn't the reason Seville won 5 cups under him, it was the team behind him at Seville, IE DoF, scouts etc.
That was the model Levy desperately seemed to want anyway, a coach that could be changed every 2-3 years but a backroom team that stayed and kept the consistency going.
He has pretty much said this publicly as well. Although I can't find anything to prove it, he's definitely said there is a trend abroad whereby manages come and go within 2 years but staff remain the same. And teams succeed that way.
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It goes back to Lyon's setup in the late 90's under Jean-Michel Aulas, that was Levy's role model. Tried and failed to build that sort of structure at Spurs several times.

But that's really the stone age now in terms of backroom setups. It's all about data sophistication now, and to Levy's credit there has been significant improvement in the way we do business in recent years.

His commitment to spending a lower rate of the club's resources than any other team in Europe will always be a fatal flaw, but his personal involvement is not as poisonous to the process as it was a few years ago.

Matt1882 said:
Whilst that is all true, Mourninho is a coach for big games and we should have waited until after that final.
If only to end this exact debate before it ever happened.

And also, had we left him in place and we still lost, Levy wouldn't have been afraid to sack Ange months ago.
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I couldn't agree more than Mourinho should have gotten the chance to shithouse his way through that final, sacking him in that moment was a disgraceful and inexplicable surrender.

Not sure what any of it has to do with Ange though.
 
FightingIllini said:
I couldn't agree more than Mourinho should have gotten the chance to shithouse his way through that final, sacking him in that moment was a disgraceful and inexplicable surrender.

Not sure what any of it has to do with Ange though.
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I think the backlash for sacking Mourinho before a cup final has effectively kept Ange in a job for months.
Whilst we have been in cups, Ange has been safe from the sack almost no questions asked. It's madness.
And now we won a cup, he may have guaranteed he starts next season too due to the simps all heel turning back into "ange in" sheep.
 
Matt1882 said:
I think the backlash for sacking Mourinho before a cup final has effectively kept Ange in a job for months.
Whilst we have been in cups, Ange has been safe from the sack almost no questions asked. It's madness.
And now we won a cup, he may have guaranteed he starts next season too due to the simps all heel turning back into "ange in" sheep.
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We don't have a nobber of a chairman who goes on talksport or twitter either (to tell us 'how it really is'), and I just can't see that Levy would have got rid of a manager he was so obviously besotted by, so abruptly, without Jose having done something more than lose a few games. The timing of it was so odd, too - I don't think it coincided with the 'super league' stuff for the club's benefit.
 
From Ange's wikipedia page:

"Postecoglou remained active as a player in the lower tiers of Victorian soccer."

That explains quite a lot. IIRC it was 0-0-11 most of the time. Rush keepers and overlapping fucking everything.

monty-python-soccer-2.jpg
 
CJJ said:
We don't have a nobber of a chairman who goes on talksport or twitter either (to tell us 'how it really is'), and I just can't see that Levy would have got rid of a manager he was so obviously besotted by, so abruptly, without Jose having done something more than lose a few games. The timing of it was so odd, too - I don't think it coincided with the 'super league' stuff for the club's benefit.
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Mourinho, empty stadiums, the Super League, dark fuckin' times man.
 
FightingIllini said:
Mourinho, empty stadiums, the Super League, dark fuckin' times man.
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Nothing epitomises our club like being on the precipice of something good happening, something totally unheard of comes along and fucks it up.

Around that time it was moving in a new stadium that no one could go in, to finally hiring Mourinho and having no money to be able to back him. When we do finally get the money to back someone, it happens to be a guy who turns all that money into the worse league performances we've seen since the last world war.
 
Aphex said:
Trix on SC said this morning that

Fwiu and posted back of house on Sunday, my man still thinks he will go.

From the conversations I have had it looks to me like some don't think he should stay at all, others aren't sure, but no one of significance is out and out fighting his corner.

It's all appears to be very complicated, and I don' think it's looking good for him personally. The club also has to look at far more than just the trophy. He has the squad on his side, and also a vocal section of the fan base, but fwiu Paratici wants someone in line with his way of thinking and working, and wants to literally upgrade everything back of house, just as he did with academy. Add to this Sponsors have been pissed off for months(although they can't have been unhappy with the cup and subsequent CL qualification), season ticket sales are down, and the squad shape is a real mess. He's now saying he wants to recruit a bunch of experienced players for next season but had agreed last season to use a conveyor belt approach and the two ideologies won't meet in the middle unfortunately.


I don't know where we go from here because good will is in short supply from the fans to Levy so how much he will want to upset the apple cart is anyone's guess, but if Paratici does get the autonomy he has been negotiating for months to get, Ange will go imo.

I must add all this was heard prior to any meeting that supposedly took place with Ange and Daniel on Sunday evening. So if that happened, and things changed at that point I don't know.

Also worth adding that Ally Gold said there was no meeting on Sunday between Levy and Ange. So if the above is accurate. And to me it does make logical sense. I think Ange is gone.

I reckon Levy is waiting for the Cup win glow to dimmer a bit before we say goodbye to Ange. He was never sacking him immediately after the season ended. Not when we won a trophy last week.

Plus he isn’t going to sack Ange when he’s in holiday. I think Ange will go once Vinai and Paratici are on board. They start 1st July apparently. Then Levy can avoid the fans blowback by making out the decision to get rid of Ange is Vinai’s and Fabs.

The more I think about it the more I’ll be amazed if Ange is kept on. The league form has been horrendous. He should have been sacked several times over.
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Trix’s man is the voice in his head. That blokes full of shit
 
CJJ said:
Yeah he's been on about it since 2003. We were also one of the first clubs to bring in a sporting director, in the european model.
People think Levy is a control freak but by evidence he's been trying to hand off the footballing side the whole time - it just doesn't seem like we've manage to hire anyone useful at it beyond Collini, and anyone decent hasn't really had any patience or reality with how the club has had to organically manage its own funding, rather than the Chelsea model of financial absurdity that crept it. Then, we had both Redknapp and Poch (arguably our two most successful PL managers in terms of league performance and finishes) outright throw a complete wobbly about working under a sporting director.

We could probably do much much worse than getting a Monchi type of guy in to build a squad and culture and just having a half decent head coach to pick the team and tactics and knows their limits.
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Frank arnesen bought some very good players
 
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