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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Aphex said:
Trix on SC said this morning that

Fwiu and posted back of house on Sunday, my man still thinks he will go.

From the conversations I have had it looks to me like some don't think he should stay at all, others aren't sure, but no one of significance is out and out fighting his corner.

It's all appears to be very complicated, and I don' think it's looking good for him personally. The club also has to look at far more than just the trophy. He has the squad on his side, and also a vocal section of the fan base, but fwiu Paratici wants someone in line with his way of thinking and working, and wants to literally upgrade everything back of house, just as he did with academy. Add to this Sponsors have been pissed off for months(although they can't have been unhappy with the cup and subsequent CL qualification), season ticket sales are down, and the squad shape is a real mess. He's now saying he wants to recruit a bunch of experienced players for next season but had agreed last season to use a conveyor belt approach and the two ideologies won't meet in the middle unfortunately.


I don't know where we go from here because good will is in short supply from the fans to Levy so how much he will want to upset the apple cart is anyone's guess, but if Paratici does get the autonomy he has been negotiating for months to get, Ange will go imo.

I must add all this was heard prior to any meeting that supposedly took place with Ange and Daniel on Sunday evening. So if that happened, and things changed at that point I don't know.

So if the above is true. And to me it does make logical sense. I think Ange is gone.

I reckon Levy is waiting for the Cup win glow to dimmer a bit before we say goodbye to Ange. He was never sacking him immediately after the season ended. Not when we won a trophy last week.

Plus he isn’t going to sack Ange when he’s in holiday. I think Ange will go once Vinai and Paratici are on board. They start 1st July apparently. Then Levy can avoid the fans blowback by making out the decision to get rid of Ange is Vinai’s and Fabs.

The more I think about it the more I’ll be amazed if Ange is kept on. The league form has been horrendous. He should have been sacked several times over.
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Fuck knows if any of that is true but the main thing is we need to fix the squad come what may, can’t wait for the Ange saga to finish.
 
Archie said:
Injury Crisis - caused by Ange 'its who we are mate!'
Both also beat better teams in their respective finals than we did. You have to ask yourself how hard was it to beat 15th place Man utd as opposed to champions Liverpool and top 5 Man City
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Ange Postecoglou's quest to end Tottenham's trophy drought continues as victory over Manchester City sends them into the Carabao Cup quarter-final.
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James Maddison scored twice as Tottenham romped to victory over a Manchester City side that has now lost five games in a row for the first time since 2006.
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Matt1882 said:
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James Maddison scored twice as Tottenham romped to victory over a Manchester City side that has now lost five games in a row for the first time since 2006.
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Tottenham 1-0 Liverpool: Lucas Bergvall scores late winner as Spurs beat Liverpool in Carabao Cup semi-final first leg

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Pep's Spurs hoodoo is so funny
 
Fattynomates said:
Like I said in my previous post, I can see both sides - just being 17th doesn't tell the whole story, we have been absolute garbage but he has also done something that Poch, Jose & Conte failed to do and that is actually win us a trophy.
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Had a similar chat last night with people at the pub.
Although I ended up convincing myself he has to go.

Overall I think we are seeing a man who is getting paid £5m a year who really wants to keep his job.

Whatever it takes. Including playing a brand of football that you have said you don’t know how to do and wouldn’t want to.

Which is fair enough. We won the trophy. But that’s probably the peak for him.

Everyone should just cash out now while the going is good.
 
Harrier said:
We require a shed load of elite players to challenge for either the PL or CL. That isn’t accomplished in one window!
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The squad we've got and the manager we've got will finish in the bottom half of the table and win nothing next year.

We all know that will happen. The overwhelming likelihood is that it will be another lost year. This squad cannot be made into CL or PL contenders in one window, and if it could be Levy wouldn't do it.

The falsehood is that sacking Ange and starting a new project would be taking a step back. We are already at the starting point. The manager and the squad were on near-relegation form for the entire season. There's no stepping back involved.

The only question is if we are going to waste another year pretending it isn't so
 
Matt1882 said:
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Tottenham Hotspur 2-1 Manchester City: Timo Werner hits first goal of season in victo

Ange Postecoglou's quest to end Tottenham's trophy drought continues as victory over Manchester City sends them into the Carabao Cup quarter-final.
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James Maddison scored twice as Tottenham romped to victory over a Manchester City side that has now lost five games in a row for the first time since 2006.
www.bbc.co.uk

Tottenham 1-0 Liverpool: Lucas Bergvall scores late winner as Spurs beat Liverpool in Carabao Cup semi-final first leg

Lucas Bergvall scores later winner as Tottenham beat Liverpool 1-0 in Carabao Cup semi-final first leg.
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Point taken over Man city - no matter whose in charge of Spurs - citeh seem to be our Bitch!!
as for Liverpool 1-0 at home didn't really help when we had a second leg up in dipper land
 
Aphex said:
Trix on SC said this morning that

Fwiu and posted back of house on Sunday, my man still thinks he will go.

From the conversations I have had it looks to me like some don't think he should stay at all, others aren't sure, but no one of significance is out and out fighting his corner.

It's all appears to be very complicated, and I don' think it's looking good for him personally. The club also has to look at far more than just the trophy. He has the squad on his side, and also a vocal section of the fan base, but fwiu Paratici wants someone in line with his way of thinking and working, and wants to literally upgrade everything back of house, just as he did with academy. Add to this Sponsors have been pissed off for months(although they can't have been unhappy with the cup and subsequent CL qualification), season ticket sales are down, and the squad shape is a real mess. He's now saying he wants to recruit a bunch of experienced players for next season but had agreed last season to use a conveyor belt approach and the two ideologies won't meet in the middle unfortunately.


I don't know where we go from here because good will is in short supply from the fans to Levy so how much he will want to upset the apple cart is anyone's guess, but if Paratici does get the autonomy he has been negotiating for months to get, Ange will go imo.

I must add all this was heard prior to any meeting that supposedly took place with Ange and Daniel on Sunday evening. So if that happened, and things changed at that point I don't know.

Also worth adding that Ally Gold said there was no meeting on Sunday between Levy and Ange. So if the above is accurate. And to me it does make logical sense. I think Ange is gone.

I reckon Levy is waiting for the Cup win glow to dimmer a bit before we say goodbye to Ange. He was never sacking him immediately after the season ended. Not when we won a trophy last week.

Plus he isn’t going to sack Ange when he’s in holiday. I think Ange will go once Vinai and Paratici are on board. They start 1st July apparently. Then Levy can avoid the fans blowback by making out the decision to get rid of Ange is Vinai’s and Fabs.

The more I think about it the more I’ll be amazed if Ange is kept on. The league form has been horrendous. He should have been sacked several times over.
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I reckon this place self combusts if a decision isn’t communicated until the beginning of July! 😂

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WillWilliams said:
Had a similar chat last night with people at the pub.
Although I ended up convincing myself he has to go.

Overall I think we are seeing a man who is getting paid £5m a year who really wants to keep his job.

Whatever it takes. Including playing a brand of football that you have said you don’t know how to do and wouldn’t want to.

Which is fair enough. We won the trophy. But that’s probably the peak for him.

Everyone should just cash out now while the going is good.
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I think as well it depends on who we have lined up to replace him, it would need to be a massive name for me - someone on the same level as Conte when he came here.
 
Archie said:
Point taken over Man city - no matter whose in charge of Spurs - citeh seem to be our Bitch!!
as for Liverpool 1-0 at home didn't really help when we had a second leg up in dipper land
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Point is, Newcaste and Palace beat Liverpool and City in one off games, which we did manage to do.
I think we caught Liverpool in that first leg a little cold. They were not great and we were 100% on the ball that match.
Had it been a 1 off game with no 2nd leg, Liverpool may not have taken it lightly.
City have been terrible at times this season. Their reputation as a goliath has been far more daunting than the actual team.
 
I say this every year but "I have renewed my season ticket, but if things don't improve, this is the last time"

I was hoping, when I decided to leave the renewal to the last minute, that Ange would already be gone and we'd have a promising manager with a future ahead of him.
But we have a year of at least 4 games in the Champions League coming up.
I'm hoping by this time next year, we're not facing £1,300 for a season in the Championship.
 
Harrier said:
I reckon this place self combusts if a decision isn’t communicated until the beginning of July! 😂

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The longer the delay, the more likely it is Levy's sounding out replacements but not able to find one. If he had one or if he were all in on Ange, we'd know.

Whether he's balking at the fee required in the release clause again or he simply can't find someone who wants the job we would never know, but Ange floating in limbo does nothing for the club.

If Ange were retained it gives the impression, maybe correct, that he's only kept the job because no one better wanted it. Or if he's replaced after a long delay, the chances increase that we get a panic hire like we did with Nuno.

None of this is to our betterment, it's baffling that Levy hasn't made a decision yesterday in my opinion.
 
MCSpurs said:
Let's not forget what Ange has had to deal with.

1. No Kane, for the first time at Spurs in 10 years
2. Whole back 5 out injured for several weeks, and CBs for months, twice.
3. Two transfer windows of only Solanke and Danso with any real experience - the rest were kids that he had to play because of injuries.
4. A cup final without Kulu, Maddison and Bergval.
5. Playing Timo Werner, because of injuries
6. Not inheriting a squad anywhere near as good as the one Poch had.
7. Son past his best and offering little for most of the season.

And he still won us our first European trophy since 1984 and our first trophy of any note in 17 years - many tried and failed. He's also wiped out all opportunities for those tired 'Spurs trophy cabinet' jokes, and many others.

The one blot on his copybook was finishing 17th. All things being considered, it's a small price to pay (means f'all now) for CL next season, and bringing in better players etc.

Maybe with a good transfer window, less injuries and more strength in depth, Ange just might pull off more than another 4-0 at the Etihad.

So, if Ange has to go, the guy coming in better be some amazing manager, because if he's not, it will just be another reset, before
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Harrier said:
For some it certainly it is!

Keeping Ange will be based on pure emotion rather than the objective evidence of the last 18 months. I think it’s difficult to argue otherwise.

I’ll certainly get behind him if he stays (even if I think it’s the wrong decision).
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I'm afraid it will be Ramos revisited
 
kcspurs said:
We all know that will happen. The overwhelming likelihood is that it will be another lost year.
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With the reinforcements I expect us to acquire, the likely makeup of our squad next season, and Anges tactical abilities, I can see us improving to maybe 8th or 9th at best, and that would mean prioritizing the league and probably not making it out of the CL group stages AND having VdV and Romero available for the vast majority of league matches.
 
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