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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
8min highlights package hot take, that strip is poo poor, Sanchez is a walking liability and him being back up CB is scary shit, vdV own goal was unlucky and I hope he doesn't score any more, the cross from Perisic to Richy for the goal was an absolute peach, he is an an Olympic Archer out on the wing.
 
Watching certain Spurs fans throw their toys out of the cot after one loss (on pens FFS) is doing my fucking head in.

Yes, Ange's team selection was a little bit extravagant but it is his 4th game in charge after a disrupted preseason. He may be regretting it now but Jesus fucking Christ there are some entitled cunts in here. We lost a tight game against a good team away from home with a second string XI.

He's a great manager, but he will make decisions that we don't like. And guess what, he will get it wrong occasionally. But at least he is thinking long term, unlike the last two oxygen thieves we had running the show.

Get on board or fuck off. Seriously.

It isn't just one loss though. It's not his 4th game in charge over a 38 game season. It was his first cup game and he had no intention of bothering to win it in spite of saying the opposite in pressers. It shows a loser mentality that has plagued the club for years and he is feeding that beast.

He wasn't sending a message to Levy but to the fans and I hope the response is loud and clear so he doesn't pay off the FA Cup.
 
The league cup is shit. Don’t care about going out.

I’m sure he’s learned a lot about the uselessness of some of our players. And the lesson came in a tinpot cup instead of a game that matters.
 
Emerson started one match and was dropped, same for Skipp, who is miles off our starting midfield quality. Davinson Sanchez is literally transfer listed.
but Skippinho bagged a brace against Barca....

sexy the look GIF
 
who was our other goalie tonight ?
As bad as davs penalty was forester was useless for every penalty. Surely Ange and mason can see he moves like a glacier. Did we have all our sub allocations used up?
 
Some of the same (comfortable) faces that shouldn't be at the club showed exactly why. You get your chance and you don't take it, just like in previous years. (not all on Ange changes tonight)
A bit late in the window, but always praying for a proper clear out of deadwood and a couple of genuine quality upgrades.
 
And?

You have to overachieve to achieve.
Mate, your not wrong and I suspect we are likely at cross purposes.

Perhaps the best way to phrase it would be that we should expect to try and win these cups.

I absolutely agree that Ange's team selection last night was poor. I kind of get it but it was unnecessary to cut that deep. I am not gong to crucify him for it but it was a bit disappointing.

Of the two cups though, this one is a Mickey Mouse competition. I am sure he goes much harder at the proper cup.
 
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Stuck out for me too

Said it in the gameday thread but I wonder how much of this is a mentality thing, one that is more evident in the players that haven't been a part of Ange's first team that looks like it's a lot of fun to be involved in. Understandable really given that supposedly all Conte did for a year and a half was run around and tell everyone they're shit and the sole reason why we have to play lobotomyball

I would say it's almost evident that we have two teams within a team looking at the second string and the first team. If they were twin boys the first child is handsome, athletic, popular, smart and everyone wants to get to know them - whereas the other child is a social outcast, doesn't shower, listens to weird goth music and lectures people about how deep the bass guitar riff is

Against my better judgement, there's still a part of me that has time for Sanchez and Davies - only because I saw them play well many moons ago when they were playing alongside competent players - and I do think Lo Celso is well suited to Angeball tactics. If Ange wants to keep them though, he's gotta squeeze them in as subs into league matchdays somehow, and even then that's a question of whether it's worth anyone's time for a hunch

The odd cup tie won't give him the information he said he's looking for

People like to talk about how "modern football is a squad game", but what we saw last night isn't that and this notion of a second string or 2 serperate XI's - in practice - is actually a damaging one for reasons you alluded to.

Once you strip back all the platitudinal sentiment and the sanctimony about tactics and rotation; what you're left with is essentially your 11 worst players being bluntly exhibited as such and saddled with the remit of "make the system work" against what may well transpire to be a far more proficient and well practiced oppo unit......

Now maaaaaaybe when you're a year or two deep with a manager; all the players are well indoctrinated and the system is thoroughly ingrained it stands a chance of working (I have my doubts even then), but 16 days into the very first season? Really; what are the chances, given you're dealing with your least talented, least technically proficient members of the squad?

Nuno made this exact mistake to the point that he left the entire first XI at home in London and jetted all the 'misfits' out to Europe for cup games on numerous occasions........ The upshot of which was barely a single credit-worthy individual player performance; let alone a coherent team performance or a desirable result (only a group stage exit on a technicality from a tournament we should have in fact strolled and won)...... Realistically, a so-called second string team can't exist (let alone thrive) solely on "I'll prove the gaffa wrong about me" energy or "sink or swim"-style tough love.

........And that's before you start to consider who the opposition may or may not be.
 
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You'll probably find - and this is true for all clubs not just Tottenham - that the general consensus of the Milk/Carling/Carabao Cup is no one gives a fuck about it until they're eliminated from it, where then it becomes a great injustice and a travesty

Sorry, but this just doesn't ring true when you read all the pre-match comments in the days leading up to the game...... Nor does the dismissive "Ah, everybody wanted to play a second string anyway; this is just bitching with the gift of hindsight!" sentiment keenly thrown about by some in the aftermath.

There were plenty of people that:

1. Visibly cared about the outcome......... Also consider every single person that paid for a ticket
2. Wanted to see a strong side put out.
 
Sorry, but this just doesn't ring true when you read all the pre-match comments in the days leading up to the game...... Nor does the dismissive "Ah, everybody wanted to play a second string anyway; this is just bitching with the gift of hindsight!" sentiment keenly thrown about by some in the aftermath.

There were plenty of people that:

1. Visibly cared about the outcome......... Also consider every single person that paid for a ticket
2. Wanted to see a strong side put out.
Totally agree, my comment was more in general, not when most of us are genuinely excited about what lies ahead
 
He played a team that finished in the top half of the Prem last season at their home — a difficult fixture — and took it too lightly.
Hopefully, it tells him enough about his team to convince the management that there’s still a lot of work to do in the next three days. If it accelerates the project then it might be worth it but today was a disappointment in team selection and some baffling substitutions.
 
He played a team that finished in the top half of the Prem last season at their home — a difficult fixture — and took it too lightly.
Hopefully, it tells him enough about his team to convince the management that there’s still a lot of work to do in the next three days. If it accelerates the project then it might be worth it but today was a disappointment in team selection and some baffling substitutions.

I don't think that, first and foremost, his lesson should be based around the trf window....... If it is, he's doomed to make the same mistake next time around too.
 
Sorry, but this just doesn't ring true when you read all the pre-match comments in the days leading up to the game...... Nor does the dismissive "Ah, everybody wanted to play a second string anyway; this is just bitching with the gift of hindsight!" sentiment keenly thrown about by some in the aftermath.

There were plenty of people that:

1. Visibly cared about the outcome......... Also consider every single person that paid for a ticket
2. Wanted to see a strong side put out.

Mate, the thing is we don't get to make that call.

We can bitch about it and that is far enough but I think we need to look at the season in totality. it is very possible that we play a full strength team last night and still get bundled out. I get that people are venting and that's ok but for now we need to keep some perspective.
 
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