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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Mostly wrong said:
Don't really think it's terribly relevant that Brentford have a good data model, and accept that while it will be responsible for at least a modicum of Brentford's success at PL level, Frank's tactical acumen has been equally a vitally important factor. Look at Forest and Gary Cooper, clearly Marinakis had equipped that side with enough talent to stay up with his mad summer spending spree, but required the right fit of manager in Nuno to up the results to the required level. They 100% would have gone down in 22/23 if they had kept faith in Cooper. It wasn't the players he was equipped with, they were the same ones Nuno stayed up with. It was the manager and his tactical approach that kept them safe.
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Until Brentford show they can do it without Frank, its most likely, as is typical, the manager was the chief factor in their success and not their front office like Brighton (who have sustained similar results across several managers).
 
yes said:
I'm surprised more noise isn't being made about Terzic. Plays exactly the way people expect us to play and is available without having to negotiate with another club.
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The people who run the club are too incompetent to realize we are in the super cup , the CL, as well as the league and the 2 domestic cups and Frank has zero experience of this or coaching at a big club with big high earning players.

Nuno deer in the headlights all over again .

But you know what, we won the Europa so I'll be calm about it I think :angecup:
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Accept the L? What are you 15?

Grow up ffs...

You obviously don't know me, feel free to read back through my posts and realise what utter shite you are spouting...

You probably weren't even born when Gazza scored and the famous "this is schoolboys ownstuff from Barry Davis, or when Mabbut lifted the FA cup and you are coming at me with this tripe.

Seriously
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What has any of that got to do with the phrase "we haven't won a major trophy since 1984"?

Unless you're talking about Gazza scoring goals in high school I was definitely alive, yes.

Whether or not you think your previous contributions display some aspect of worthiness is completely irrelevant to completely ignoring the FA Cup win that you're suddenly now celebrating

dondo said:
The FAcup was huge in 91 more prestigious than it is now
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exactly
 
MemphisWill said:
Until Brentford show they can do it without Frank, its most likely, as is typical, the manager was the chief factor in their success and not their front office like Brighton (who have sustained similar results across several managers).
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Also, if it was that straightforward to do what Brentford did regardless of manager, wouldn’t every other club in that position just do it instead of gambling hundreds of millions?
 
ultima64 said:
Dropping past then back to my hiatus until pre-season starts.

Reminder that there is nothing for football pundits to talk about right now.

So when one journalist makes up an article saying Ange is getting sacked and they’ve interviewed Thomas Frank, and spoken about transfer targets.

Guess what, it’s absolute made up dribble.

Put on your critical thinking hat, and ask, if that meeting ever happened, would they leak they spoke about transfer targets?
No they didn’t - but journalists want to talk transfer targets because it gets the most views.

Then the next journalist references that made up dribble as there source to talk about it a manager getting sacked.

Why? Because there is nothing else to talk about in world football right now of relevance.
And they need to keep pushing content out about something.
To get paid, they get paid for views, and there is bugger all to talk about in English football right now.


Ange is here to start next season, strap in, get behind him and the team.

The amount of people on here still playing down the significance of winning the Europa league is absolutely gobsmacking, miserable sods, probably complain about a Sunday roast as well because they reckon they’ve had a better one.
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Chat forums eh…

Weird fucking places

Wonder how many of these really chat like this in person
 
Notabadsquad said:
Agree with a lot of that.

I think, without a shred of evidence to support my assertion that the club will not want another situation where they turn to a variety of managers who turn us down thus leaving it as last man standing.

If the club were confident, as in agreement with Frank or whoever,then it becomes far easier to relieve Postecoglou.

We can't afford a merry go round, which is possibly the only thing that would be worse than retaining Postecoglou's services.
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Absolutely.

I do believe the club have a plan, which is essentially spearheaded by the likes of Lange and, hopefully, Paratici. They've focussed on young talent integration so we have a solid, talented core in place for the next 5-10 years with a certain style of Football that they want to play. I believe that was why Postecoglou was brought in in the first place, as his was the brand of exciting, attack minded Football that the club wanted and we craved. For a number of reasons it hasn't worked out, but I still think that is the philosophy that the club will continue to pursue.
Frank does have that in his locker, so I can see the appeal, but I do have reservations on whether he can translate that to a higher level with a great deal more pressure to succeed. As I said, there's a World of difference between matching the expectations of a club like Brentford, and matching ours. Add in the additional pressure of taking over from the man who's just won our first major trophy in 17 years, and he could end up floundering.

Conversely, he could smash it out of the park, but whatever way you look at it, it's a rather large gamble.

Personally, I think he'd at least stabilise us in the short term, it remains to be seen whether he has the chops to go up another level in the long term. If he stabilises us for a couple of seasons, I'd be happy to have him longer to build on that.
 
thinktank said:
Baldcunt is thick enough to wait until Mbeumo's been sold before he seals Frank and not tie it up early and have him persuade him to come with him.

Only a dufus misses that opportunity.
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We are going for Sane on a free. Mbuemo would be too ambitious for us.

Levy is dumb enough to believe that Mbuemo is good because of Frank and he can spend less on the mid table manager who will make cheap players good
 
MemphisWill said:
Until Brentford show they can do it without Frank, its most likely, as is typical, the manager was the chief factor in their success and not their front office like Brighton (who have sustained similar results across several managers).
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I think people eagerly overlook that Brighton's managerial selection has also been very astute since Potter left, De Zerbi had led Sassuolo, now a serie B team (albeit coming back up next season) to consecutive 8th placed finishes, then would have gone and won a title in Ukraine had a war not ended the season early. Likewise Hurzeler is considered one of the most promising young coaches in Europe, and they had the funds from various player sales to build a properly solid mid-table PL side to support that promising young coach with. Granted the backroom team were in charge of those appointments but think we're a bit eager to overlook the tactical evolution those coaches have brought to Brighton's play in their own right, they are far more entertaining to watch now than they ever were under Potter and there was no sense they were eager to part with Potter of their own volition any time soon.
 
Ionman34 said:
Absolutely.

I do believe the club have a plan, which is essentially spearheaded by the likes of Lange and, hopefully, Paratici. They've focussed on young talent integration so we have a solid, talented core in place for the next 5-10 years with a certain style of Football that they want to play. I believe that was why Postecoglou was brought in in the first place, as his was the brand of exciting, attack minded Football that the club wanted and we craved. For a number of reasons it hasn't worked out, but I still think that is the philosophy that the club will continue to pursue.
Frank does have that in his locker, so I can see the appeal, but I do have reservations on whether he can translate that to a higher level with a great deal more pressure to succeed. As I said, there's a World of difference between matching the expectations of a club like Brentford, and matching ours. Add in the additional pressure of taking over from the man who's just won our first major trophy in 17 years, and he could end up floundering.

Conversely, he could smash it out of the park, but whatever way you look at it, it's a rather large gamble.

Personally, I think he'd at least stabilise us in the short term, it remains to be seen whether he has the chops to go up another level in the long term. If he stabilises us for a couple of seasons, I'd be happy to have him longer to build on that.
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All fair points.

I think a big part of the pressure for all incoming manager has actually gone. We can't win the CL and no one with brain cell will say different. That relieves the trophy part and then it's just doing better than 17th, but mostly, it's about building a team that looks competent.

But it will take something quite astonishing to preside over worse than this season, glorious Europa apart.
 
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