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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Pythagoras said:
ange has won 2 premierships with south melbourne , 2 premierships with brisbane roar, 1 premiership with yokahama marinos the first trophy in 15 years for that club, 2 premierships 1 cup and 2 league cups with celtic, has won the asian cup with the australian national team first time ever, and 1 uefa europa league with spurs. coached at a world cup.
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Literally all of them, including the Europa league, are journeyman trophies.

The man is not Premier LEAGUE level
 
Hoddle2Waddle said:
I don't see what is all the hype about Thomas Frank. He is the danish version of Sam Allardyce.
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There's no hype ... No top managers want to work for our bald cunt and many here just think Frank will do better than Ange ... Frank is a very mediocre hiring imho but then, we're now a very mediocre club at best ...

Don't see anyone super excited/shooting off fireworks about Frank - though many here will be very relieved (perhaps even excited) to see Ange going ... the sentimental (and morbid) part of me wants to keep Ange on to see how it goes - but then I genuinely believe we'll be a car wreck with Ange and ECL next season so time for change ...
 
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BJK said:
With the timing of this sacking, right after reaching by far the biggest height of his career, his ascendancy to a mythical status among some people here will be complete. Even more so if his replacement doesn't hit the ground running, whether Frank or anybody else.

He is leaving a club that he has always held in contempt not only with a hefty payout in his pocket, but also with his reputation improved. He's hardly a suffering victim here, so I don't feel the need to mourn him.

It'll be interesting to see where he ends up.
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It's true that Ange supporters who came out of the shadows after the cup win, or who switched sides in his favor because of it, will have the luxury of never being proved wrong.

If Ange goes then they can always claim he would have done better if the next manager fails, even though Ange has done worse than any manager we've had in modern times. And if the next manager succeeds, they will try to credit Ange for "changing the culture" or claim that he'd have done just as well, even though he's been leading the team downward and downward for 2 years now.

I don't know how much his reputation improved at Spurs either. It's obvious that in the PL he was out of his depth, and not by only a few fathoms. He never beat our rivals. He was never in danger of winning a cup until this last improbable success.

Wouldn't you look at a manager like him and say this all proved that he can not do it at the PL level? What PL club wants to bet their future on him?
 
SpursDNA said:
Why would Frank join us? He’s got a good thing going at Brentford and makes only slightly less money than Ange.

So unless Levy doubles Frank’s wage - why would Frank join a club he finished 8 places above with much higher expectations that has a history of sacking managers?
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Stops man in street.

“Excuse me sir “

“Can you tell me why a manager would leave Brentford FC for one of the Premier leagues big 6, a club with immense history with a 62k stadium, CL football next season and who have recruited some of the best managers in world football over the last 10 years??”

Person you are asking the question to ……….

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8andA1/2Peppers said:
I still feel like they're going to keep him going into next season. I personally think that doing nothing is the absolute wrong choice.. But it's the one that gets the least backlash from the press. Which even though it shouldn't matter, I think it will do. The club will think that they should wait until he's had a bad start (if that was to happen), and then make the change whilst comparatively coming up smelling of roses.. They'll have wasted a summer where they could do good work with a new coach, but they'll have avoided the whole "sacked the first manager to win something in 17 years" palava.

It's the reactive, safe choice.. And that is always the choice I put money on this club taking.
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It’s definitely what experience tells us. Levy is never proactive and ahead of the game.

In regards to Frank, he is pretty charismatic, I think from that perspective he could woo Levy and also get the Ange cult onside pretty quickly with some smooth talking.
 
Maybe in the minority but I’m not that invested in who a potential manager might be. How we do next season is going to be mostly dependent on what we do recruitment wise in the summer. Real top players needed.

Saying that not sure I agree with Frank being that adaptable or tactically astute. When we played them at home, we kept on pressing them off the ball when they were trying to play out. Didn’t change during the game and go back to a more direct game, how they usually play. We got 6 or 7 good opportunities through that route in that game. Not saying he can’t work on playing out from the back in an effective way with different players but there’s no evidence of it at Brentford.
 
Raf said:
Also, if it was that straightforward to do what Brentford did regardless of manager, wouldn’t every other club in that position just do it instead of gambling hundreds of millions?
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Pretty much every significant club has a data science arm. We certainly do. But Brentford and Brighton were pretty much the first to do it and still seem to remain the best at it.

There is a vast difference to how that data is gathered and then implemented
 
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