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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Most of the problems this season have been a result of the players having no faith in a manager that had no faith in them.

There are things about Postecoglou which divide opinion, but one thing that is settled in my mind is that his man-management, motivational skills and emotional intelligence are elite. That doesn't mean players won't lose focus, but it does mean they will fight till the last and push themselves beyond their physical limits.

If it truly was VdV and Romero that master-minded the Europa win, one wonders why they simply didn't take over this season and avoid us becoming relegation candidates- surely its easier for them to coach staying up than winning a European trophy given we've stayed up for every season of the Prem, but never in that time won a European trophy?
I think where Postecoglou went wrong, and where his supporters on this forum are going wrong is, let's say for example when we played Tamworth, none of their defenders are even as good as Ben Davies, Archie Gary or any of our other stand ins.

However Tamworth sat back, played a shrewd match and could have won in 90 minutes, in the end they just ran out of energy.

So regarding our team with a depleted defence, we needed to be like Tamworth and be clever with the weaker than usual defence, but better than Tamwowth's all the same. Instead we kept charging forward and got ripped to bits. Just like we did when we were down to 9 men vs Chelsea.

And you think that's good management, well that's fine, but it's just an opinion. 22 loses is a fact.
 
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The whole point of the europa & conference league is to give the motley crew of misfits a continental competition ffs.
You're still pissing all over our first European trophy in over 40 years I see.

May I ask your thoughts on Bodo please?

You know, that 'misfit team we beat in a semi final of a crap comp (in your opinion), who this year in the CL beat Man City at home, drew with Dortmund, beat Atletico away and beat Inter both at home and away.
 
You're still pissing all over our first European trophy in over 40 years I see.

May I ask your thoughts on Bodo please?

You know, that 'misfit team we beat in a semi final of a crap comp (in your opinion), who this year in the CL beat Man City at home, drew with Dortmund, beat Atletico away and beat Inter both at home and away.

Yeah and also lost to 5-0 to Sporting, at home to Juve, lost to Monaco, lost to Gala…

Funnily enough not very good teams sometimes go on runs and beat good teams. The pointer that they were just in form/on a good run is that they always fall short. Anyone can cherry pick the good results - they had to go through playoffs to make knockouts and then got knocked out by an average sporting team.

Our European trophy has been put in its context repeatedly. Forest, fighting relegation, are in to the quarters of the competition this season. It is weak. It is not my fault if this factual bit of information upsets you.
 
For a copper, you don't half spout some nonfactual shite. 🤣



Greatest night in over 40 years. No doubt about it.

:angecup:

What’s the relevance other than you felt the need to bring that up?

There is doubt. Maybe for you. I enjoyed the CL win over city and Ajax far more. I enjoyed several NLD wins more. Much higher profile moments against serious sides with us involved against heavyweights.

All subjective. It being your best night doesn’t change the practical reality of who we beat anyway. You can think it was an amazing emotional moment and also recognise the Europa league is low in actual quality. It factually is. Lots of posters manage to do both.
 
Idk why people still want this guy back. we lost 22 fucking games last year. Meaning we would have to lose our last 7 this season to equal that steaming pile of shit. We should have gone down last season but by the grace of god the bottom 3 was historically bad.

You need to read the posts a bit more carefully so you can reply to what the conversation actually is rather than what you assume (or want) it to be.

The conversation isn't about "wanting him back" as permanent manager*. There's a thread for that and his vote stands at 8%. The conversation currently being played out here is whether, in hindsight, sacking him has improved us in any way.

Given we are on the brink of relegation and haven't won a single premier league game in 4 months and only 7 for the entire season, the overwhelming evidence is: No, it hasn't improved us at all. In fact we've gone backwards.

The thing about the "22 losses" that people keep referring to is that it's largely irrelevant. It was the 11 WINS that gave us the required points to comfortably stay up despite the injury crisis. We had 14 losses in 22/23 but the 18 wins got us 8th. We also had prime Kane and Son then.

We currently only have 7 wins this season. If we can match Postecoglou's 11 wins of last year we probably stay up. I think we would all love that right now but it certainly wasn't the argument being made last May when the decision to sack Postecoglou was made was it?

The counter claim is that the evidence shows that the problem was never "the manager" but injuries and a mediocre squad, incredibly badly balanced and very thin on true quality.

All of this is self-evidently true - unless you're a Deranger who keeps returning to this thread like a moth to a flame posting ever more arrant nonsense to justify the absurd claim that sacking Postecoglou has turned out to be "the right thing to do".

It is interesting though. I've been making a list of things Derangers "like" and "don't like" and it makes fascinating reading.

Things Derangers Don't Like:

1) European Trophies.

2) Staying in the Premier League.

3) Managers who achieve the above.

4) Spurs fans who do like all of the above.

Things Derangers Do Like:

1) Relegation.

2) Calling managers who win things "fat useless cunts".

3) Calling every player in our squad "useless sacks of shit" then being surprised when they don't battle for top 3 like Spaniel Spaniel predicted in August.

4) Hanging around like moths in the thread of someone they hate for the crime of winning things and staying up.


Hope that clears a few things up for you :thumbup:



*A very few people, myself amongst them, have floated the idea of bringing Postecoglou back as interim to try and get the wins required to keep us up. Given the players would know exactly who he is and what his style would be, and given they went on a run last year in the back end of a disastrous year to win 5 Cup games and Draw 1 to win a European Trophy, and given they all fucking love the bloke, this seems like a rational, if unlikely, suggestion. It does however draw the ire of Derangers because: see above list of "likes" and "don't likes" :ange-bored2:
 
I've perused this thread very carefully over the last few days. There has been compelling content regarding the quality, or lack thereof, of Mr. Postecoglou. Having weighed up the evidence for, and against, the proposition I have concluded that Mr. Postecoglou is the finest manager this club has had since Bill Nicholson. 😉

:angecup:
 
You post more in this thread than any other thread on this forum. I didn't post in here for 5 months but you're all over it. You're utterly obsessed. you care more about Postecoglou than you do about Spurs.

Don't you think you need to ask yourself who exactly has "daddy issues" and is exhibiting cult like behaviour?
Is Phomesy Phomesy an Aussie?
 
Idk why people still want this guy back. we lost 22 fucking games last year. Meaning we would have to lose our last 7 this season to equal that steaming pile of shit. We should have gone down last season but by the grace of god the bottom 3 was historically bad.
Because those people understand the situation we face as they did last season. There's nobody better right now to come in and secure our clubs football.

IDK why so many bitter people can't comprehend that and would rather see the club relegated for sure.

We have 7 cup finals. Get the guy who knows the team, who knows the club, has PL experience and just DOESN'T lose cup finals.

Only absolutely raging weapons aren't capable of realising that we could do a lot worse than bringing him back in.
 
You need to read the posts a bit more carefully so you can reply to what the conversation actually is rather than what you assume (or want) it to be.

The conversation isn't about "wanting him back" as permanent manager*. There's a thread for that and his vote stands at 8%. The conversation currently being played out here is whether, in hindsight, sacking him has improved us in any way.

Given we are on the brink of relegation and haven't won a single premier league game in 4 months and only 7 for the entire season, the overwhelming evidence is: No, it hasn't improved us at all. In fact we've gone backwards.

The thing about the "22 losses" that people keep referring to is that it's largely irrelevant. It was the 11 WINS that gave us the required points to comfortably stay up despite the injury crisis. We had 14 losses in 22/23 but the 18 wins got us 8th. We also had prime Kane and Son then.

We currently only have 7 wins this season. If we can match Postecoglou's 11 wins of last year we probably stay up. I think we would all love that right now but it certainly wasn't the argument being made last May when the decision to sack Postecoglou was made was it?

The counter claim is that the evidence shows that the problem was never "the manager" but injuries and a mediocre squad, incredibly badly balanced and very thin on true quality.

All of this is self-evidently true - unless you're a Deranger who keeps returning to this thread like a moth to a flame posting ever more arrant nonsense to justify the absurd claim that sacking Postecoglou has turned out to be "the right thing to do".

It is interesting though. I've been making a list of things Derangers "like" and "don't like" and it makes fascinating reading.

Things Derangers Don't Like:

1) European Trophies.

2) Staying in the Premier League.

3) Managers who achieve the above.

4) Spurs fans who do like all of the above.

Things Derangers Do Like:

1) Relegation.

2) Calling managers who win things "fat useless cunts".

3) Calling every player in our squad "useless sacks of shit" then being surprised when they don't battle for top 3 like Spaniel Spaniel predicted in August.

4) Hanging around like moths in the thread of someone they hate for the crime of winning things and staying up.


Hope that clears a few things up for you :thumbup:



*A very few people, myself amongst them, have floated the idea of bringing Postecoglou back as interim to try and get the wins required to keep us up. Given the players would know exactly who he is and what his style would be, and given they went on a run last year in the back end of a disastrous year to win 5 Cup games and Draw 1 to win a European Trophy, and given they all fucking love the bloke, this seems like a rational, if unlikely, suggestion. It does however draw the ire of Derangers because: see above list of "likes" and "don't likes" :ange-bored2:
No idea what's so hard for them to fathom the idea of winning more games is more important than losing less games.
 
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