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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
McCOYS said:
I remember the season when Wigan won the FA Cup and got relegated, I wonder in the big scheme of things whether they'd prefer that trophy over a greater win % and more opportunity to establish themselves as a Premier League club?

I suppose every supporter has their priorities, mine is to see the team win more games than they lose. I don't want a dreadful depressing season losing match after match with or without a trophy at the end of it.

I didn't start watching football or supporting Spurs to see the team lift trophies, I like the part of the game when we're playing great football and winning the majority of the matches, a trophy after 22 league defeats doesn't rectify the misery of observing that season.

It's nothing against Postecoglou in particular, I never want to see a season like that one or this one again.
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I suppose you’ll have to just wonder, unless you fancy signing up to a Wigan forum and asking the question.

What you don’t have to wonder about is the numerous posts on this forum, particularly the ENIC one, from fans of our own club, saying they’d swap regular top six for one FA Cup and two relegations. Obviously this was before Bilbao.
 
AberdeenYid said:
I suppose you’ll have to just wonder, unless you fancy signing up to a Wigan forum and asking the question.

What you don’t have to wonder about is the numerous posts on this forum, particularly the ENIC one, from fans of our own club, saying they’d swap regular top six for one FA Cup and two relegations. Obviously this was before Bilbao.
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Well that is an odd one, looking at our team now though in this predicament together with last season's 22 Premier League defeats. I'd rather we had a better PL win percentage than this season and last with Postecoglou's 28,95% Frank's 26.92%, and Tudor's 0.00%.

If we keep that up relegation is all but certain and that we've picked up a trophy along the way isn't going to make it any sweeter. That's just me though, it's the way I like football, I want to see the team win matches often. Seeing the players hold a trophy on a podium or celebrate on an open top bus does nothing for me, in the same way as I like to watch a good film but I don't enjoy watching the actors and production crew pick up awards, I don't see the joy in watching that.

Last season was like being kicked in the bollocks 22 times and then being handed a block of ice in the shape of a trophy to reduce the swelling.
 
McCOYS said:
Well that is an odd one, looking at our team now though in this predicament together with last season's 22 Premier League defeats. I'd rather we had a better PL win percentage than this season and last with Postecoglou's 28,95% Frank's 26.92%, and Tudor's 0.00%.

If we keep that up relegation is all but certain and that we've picked up a trophy along the way isn't going to make it any sweeter. That's just me though, it's the way I like football, I want to see the team win matches often. Seeing the players hold a trophy on a podium or celebrate on an open top bus does nothing for me, in the same way as I like to watch a good film but I don't enjoy watching the actors and production crew pick up awards, I don't see the joy in watching that.

Last season was like being kicked in the bollocks 22 times and then being handed a block of ice in the shape of a trophy to reduce the swelling.
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Always found it odd myself. But it’s there. Before Bilbao, it was a massive stick to beat the owners with.

I’d prefer to do well in both league and cup, as I’m sure we all would, but after a few decades of 3rd at best in the league, I was happy to trade a 17th for a cup. Just not happy to do it without the cup this time around.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Always found it odd myself. But it’s there. Before Bilbao, it was a massive stick to beat the owners with.

I’d prefer to do well in both league and cup, as I’m sure we all would, but after a few decades of 3rd at best in the league, I was happy to trade a 17th for a cup. Just not happy to do it without the cup this time around.
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We came 2nd in 2016/17 season.

I'd prefer we'd be near the top of the table like that, or like Woolwich have been the past few seasons fighting to win the Premier League, even if we don't win it, I would enjoy that challenge more than being 17th and winning the Europa League.

There isn't a reason that we should all want the same out of the sport but I want us to be one of the best teams in the league like we were a few years with Pochettino and maybe a while with Redknapp. So when I watch I know there's a good chance of victory and the team will have lots of chances at goal, be solid at the back, to me that's better than seeing a trophy but of course I wouldn't reject one. I'd much rather have a trophy from a fantastic season then the trophy will remind me of how well we played, but if it's at the end of a shit season, there isn't any good memory of great football attached to it. So for me it's not the trophy object but how well we played in a season to earn it.

I'd say we scraped that trophy and I don't have good memories of our football that season, it doesn't signify good football to me.
 
McCOYS said:
Igor Tudor is 14,3%.

I wonder if that beats Postecoglou's Nottingham Forest tenure?

Oh, I just checked it's 0.00%.
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I'm a Spurs fan, I couldn't give a toss about Postecoglou's record with Nottingham Forest. It's a little mystifying why people keep bringing it up here, especially given the small sample size of games, and the peculiar way that the club is run.
McCOYS said:
If you're only counting league matches yes, here's Postecoglou's second season version of that 28.95%
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My bad, I should have checked my source more carefully. You're quite right, Frank's overall winning percentage is a whopping 34.2%. Which, apparently is the worst of any permanent Spurs manager.
McCOYS said:
I did think Postecoglou had a good first season overall but look at Leicester they win the PL 2016 and sack the manager 2017 for being close to relegation.

It's an unforgiving position to be a football manager.
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I'd agree with you there. I very much doubt Keith Burkinshaw would have kept his job after getting relegated these days. In fact he'd probably have been sacked by Christmas.
 
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McCOYS said:
I remember the season when Wigan won the FA Cup and got relegated, I wonder in the big scheme of things whether they'd prefer that trophy over a greater win % and more opportunity to establish themselves as a Premier League club?
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Funnily enough there was an article on the BBC website recently that asked that exact question:
Survival or FA Cup glory - which would you choose?
Pretty much every Wigan fan they spoke too (and loads more in the comments section below) said the same thing: they wouldn't dream of swapping the FA Cup for staying in the Premier League.

I must admit I think I would feel the same. Maybe not for the FA Cup, but I would have been perfectly happy getting relegated this season if we'd manage to win the Champions League as well.

The game's supposed to be about glory isn't it? There's not much glory in being perpetual also-rans.
 
McCOYS said:
I'd prefer we'd be near the top of the table like that, or like Woolwich have been the past few seasons fighting to win the Premier League, even if we don't win it, I would enjoy that challenge more than being 17th and winning the Europa League.
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Man, we spent donkeys slating Woolwich for considering a top four finish as being a success, instead of actually winning something.
Literally since Wenger.

And now you're shitting on a European trophy by saying that you'd rather be like Woolwich?
I think you're supporting the wrong club man because we've always been a cup team and that's where the glory is, it's certainly not in finishing 4th FFS.
 
McCOYS said:
We came 2nd in 2016/17 season.

I'd prefer we'd be near the top of the table like that, or like Woolwich have been the past few seasons fighting to win the Premier League, even if we don't win it, I would enjoy that challenge more than being 17th and winning the Europa League.

There isn't a reason that we should all want the same out of the sport but I want us to be one of the best teams in the league like we were a few years with Pochettino and maybe a while with Redknapp. So when I watch I know there's a good chance of victory and the team will have lots of chances at goal, be solid at the back, to me that's better than seeing a trophy but of course I wouldn't reject one. I'd much rather have a trophy from a fantastic season then the trophy will remind me of how well we played, but if it's at the end of a shit season, there isn't any good memory of great football attached to it. So for me it's not the trophy object but how well we played in a season to earn it.

I'd say we scraped that trophy and I don't have good memories of our football that season, it doesn't signify good football to me.
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Each to one’s own. I’d trade losing a lot to win something. You’d prefer to win a lot to ultimately win nothing.

In the end I suppose I want the buzz of a trophy win above entertainment. You believe the opposite. Neither is right nor wrong. Just shows we all consume the game differently.
 
McCOYS said:
We came 2nd in 2016/17 season.

I'd prefer we'd be near the top of the table like that, or like Woolwich have been the past few seasons fighting to win the Premier League, even if we don't win it, I would enjoy that challenge more than being 17th and winning the Europa League.

There isn't a reason that we should all want the same out of the sport but I want us to be one of the best teams in the league like we were a few years with Pochettino and maybe a while with Redknapp. So when I watch I know there's a good chance of victory and the team will have lots of chances at goal, be solid at the back, to me that's better than seeing a trophy but of course I wouldn't reject one. I'd much rather have a trophy from a fantastic season then the trophy will remind me of how well we played, but if it's at the end of a shit season, there isn't any good memory of great football attached to it. So for me it's not the trophy object but how well we played in a season to earn it.

I'd say we scraped that trophy and I don't have good memories of our football that season, it doesn't signify good football to me.
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But 2 years ago you said...

McCOYS said:
Isn't the point of football to win as many trophies as possible?

You seem to be echoing what people accuse Levy of ie try and stay in the top 7, and sod the cup competitions.

If not for some amazing saves from Vicario this season we'd be mid table. You'd need to be blind to not see it.

We also had a very lucky win against Liverpool.
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McCOYS said:
How many years do you find it to be acceptable to not win anything except the Audi Cup?
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And now since we've won a trophy you're saying the complete opposite :gallashmm:
 
McCOYS said:
We came 2nd in 2016/17 season.

I'd prefer we'd be near the top of the table like that, or like Woolwich have been the past few seasons fighting to win the Premier League, even if we don't win it, I would enjoy that challenge more than being 17th and winning the Europa League.

There isn't a reason that we should all want the same out of the sport but I want us to be one of the best teams in the league like we were a few years with Pochettino and maybe a while with Redknapp. So when I watch I know there's a good chance of victory and the team will have lots of chances at goal, be solid at the back, to me that's better than seeing a trophy but of course I wouldn't reject one. I'd much rather have a trophy from a fantastic season then the trophy will remind me of how well we played, but if it's at the end of a shit season, there isn't any good memory of great football attached to it. So for me it's not the trophy object but how well we played in a season to earn it.

I'd say we scraped that trophy and I don't have good memories of our football that season, it doesn't signify good football to me.
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I'd say that's just because you remember the final. Whilst that was poor, from an actual Football aesthetic perspective, we had a number of games in the run up where we did in fact play well.

Before you say it, I understand that our league form was atrocious, but the memory of the trophy should be synonymous with the actual cup run, not the league form.

The form we showed in the cup was a ray of sunshine in a shitty league season, and we deserved to win it.
 
Shadydan said:
But 2 years ago you said...




And now since we've won a trophy you're saying the complete opposite :gallashmm:
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Hey! You're stealing my sctick!


But also:

standing ovation GIF


:D
 
AberdeenYid said:
Each to one’s own. I’d trade losing a lot to win something. You’d prefer to win a lot to ultimately win nothing.

In the end I suppose I want the buzz of a trophy win above entertainment. You believe the opposite. Neither is right nor wrong. Just shows we all consume the game differently.
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If we don't have a trophy at the end of it we've won nothing. It then becomes a cultural thing at the club and the supporters where its acceptable to compete but never win. Its like "Winning that trophy could never be us, but we had a good season finish third or fourth, but never really in the mix of winning it all".

The question should be "Why not us?"

That's the mentality Postecoglou wanted to instill: "Why not us?" , and that can only begin if something is actually won.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
I have this nagging feeling the thread will do a Bradman and be locked at 4999 pages.
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I will be straight on to the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary at the Australian embassy should anything like that occur.

Would set diplomatic relations between Australia and the Uk back centuries.

Pretty sure Admin Admin has a soft spot for koalas and quokka’s anyway.
Bet he’s got a hat with corks on it too.
 
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