Manager Ange Postecoglou

[Richard Arlison]

Thought this was a place where you could discuss Spurs - both the positives and negatives - without being shouted down and name-called by weird happy-clapper cultists.

Evidently I was wrong.

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Have you discussed any positives since you joined?

 

[Confusius]

Someone, anyone with a drop of tactical nous and adaptability.

You said that poster followed fat Carl's full career. What a out the 13 years prior to Brisbane and his time working in the bank?

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So you haven't got a clue who we should replace Ange with, but are dead certain Ange is shite?!

Boy am i surprised!!!

 

[Klaus]

Have you discussed any positives since you joined?

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Not yet, because funnily enough we're off the back of 4 heavy losses, 2 of which against our biggest rivals.

Happy to though, in the interests of being constructive.

I like the fact we're at least attempting to be a club who plays possession football, even if it's not coming off recently.

I think some of the signings we've made recently have been absolutely top notch. Namely VDV, Vicario, Porro, Udogie, Maddison. Mostly I attribute that to Paratici/Lange but equally some credit there has to go to Ange.

I like the fact we're trying to find young gems and develop them, like Bergvall, Phillips, Vuskovic, Veliz, etc. Even if some of those don't come off it's really satisfying to watch as a fan, much more so than just buying readily made talent for 100m.

 

[Klaus]

Is how the MAJORITY of this forum feels about you. Signing up and trolling immediately. You'll continue to be called out until you delete your account.

Got it? Good.

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Can someone enlighten me, why does this weirdo think he's the moral arbiter of this forum? Does he have any actual control here or has he basically decided he's the resident milk-monitor who likes to police the conversation?

 

[Richard Arlison]

Not yet, because funnily enough we're off the back of 4 heavy losses, 2 of which against our biggest rivals.

Happy to though, in the interests of being constructive.

I like the fact we're at least attempting to be a club who plays possession football, even if it's not coming off recently.

I think some of the signings we've made recently have been absolutely top notch. Namely VDV, Vicario, Porro, Udogie, Maddison.

I like the fact we're trying to find young gems and develop them, like Bergvall, Phillips, Vuskovic, Veliz, etc. Even if some of those don't come off it's really satisfying to watch as a fan, much more so than just buying readily made talent for 100m.

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OK fair enough.

Do you recognize Ange's role signing VDV, Vicario, Maddison, and especially Bergvall? You didn't namecheck Dragusin but he also chose to leave a starting spot in Serie A and come here instead of Bayern after Ange got him bought in to the project.

Would you also agree that Ange has got a tune out of Porro that didn't look likely and has Udogie converted from a wing back into possibly the best LB in the premier league this season?

 

[Sir Archibald Crooks]

I can't lie and say I'm not concerned that Ange won't get supported properly by the owners but he's also willing to take on the challenge with his eyes open. He's said many times that he's on the same page with them and is willing to try with x2 50m players instead of a single 100m player.

I don't agree with him about that. This club charges top prices and these owners never invest a penny of their own cash but if Jose and Conte couldn't change that then there isn't a manager out there that could.

That in mind, we are better off IMO with a guy that has knowledge of other markets where value can be found and also has a willingness to put character before market value i.e., VDV and Vicario.

The J League thing just doesn't wash for me. I don't watch it but I'd be willing to bet there were coaches there that had more financial resources than the team he won with and also tried the same tactics teams are using against us now.

Does anyone seriously believe that a deep narrow block in their own third and Jump press in our third is something that Ange has never seen before?

Or is it more likely something this team isn't yet accustomed to and we also need to bring in some players that are more suited to adapting to it?

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If we dont have the players to play that way then why not try something different? Again good Tottenham managers are flexible in their approach, ones wedded to a system like Hoddle or Conte tend to not last long.

Why is it better to plough on getting spanked when you know the players dont fit the system? Not buying that he's getting them used to it, good chance that a lot will be gone in the summer anyway so if he's insistant on the same system why not pick Donley or Moore for a few games. Players that will be around in the future. Picking Emerson and bringing on Bryan Gil is just muddled thinking, between picking up points here and now and thinking of the future and doing neither.

 

[Klaus]

OK fair enough.

Do you recognize Ange's role signing VDV, Vicario, Maddison, and especially Bergvall? You didn't namecheck Dragusin but he also chose to leave a starting spot in Serie A and come here instead of Bayern after Ange got him bought in to the project.

Would you also agree that Ange has got a tune out of Porro that didn't look likely and has Udogie converted from a wing back into possibly the best LB in the premier league this season?

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Yes, edited my comment to give Ange some credit for those signings, even if I attribute them mainly to Lange/Paratici and the scouting dept.

Brennan we all know was Ange's main pick and that gives me greater cause for concern. Decent player but completely the wrong fit for his system in my view.

Ultimately Ange sanctioned 80m to be spend on two wingers last summer, both of whom are deemed not good enough by the majority of the fanbase. So either Ange has poor talent ID for wingers in his system, or can't coach them to standard. Which is it?

Dragusin - jury's out for now. We did well to buy him, but I don't see why Ange leaves him lingering on the bench when he could easily play him at CB and VDV at left back recently rather than Emerson.

Udogie and Porro have been very good, and again I give Ange credit there, although both have notably dropped off in recent weeks. Again my concern here is we're shipping goals despite having the best back 5 since 2017 Pochettino, which points to the problem being the system and ultimately, the manager. Conte and Mou could only dream of having this back 5.

 

[GOAT]

Can someone enlighten me, why does this weirdo think he's the moral arbiter of this forum? Does he have any actual control here or has he basically decided he's the resident milk-monitor who likes to police the conversation?

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Yawn.

Next time, engage constructively instead of coming out with bullshit like wanting Ange sacked, and thinking changing our manager every year is going to lead to glory.

Consider this morning a free lesson. I won't demand a public apology this time, but I hope you've learnt your lesson.

Bye.

 

[Richard Arlison]

If we dont have the players to play that way then why not try something different? Again good Tottenham managers are flexible in their approach, ones wedded to a system like Hoddle or Conte tend to not last long.

Why is it better to plough on getting spanked when you know the players dont fit the system? Not buying that he's getting them used to it, good chance that a lot will be gone in the summer anyway so if he's insistant on the same system why not pick Donley or Moore for a few games. Players that will be around in the future. Picking Emerson and bringing on Bryan Gil is just muddled thinking, between picking up points here and now and thinking of the future and doing neither.

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Because some of them do fit the system and were signed for it i.e., VDV. And then there are those that were signed for another system but have been coached into being good fits like Porro, Udogie and Sarr.

When you say good Tottenham managers, who are we talking about because last time I checked none of them won anything that we are trying to replicate now. Ange is here to try and achieve something that none of the modern era ones achieved. If he has to do things differently then that's fine with me, even if it means putting up with some rough patches along the way.

I don't know why Donley and Moore haven't got serious game time but my guess is that they aren't ready. Devine is one of the biggest talents in his age group and will likely need another year on loan. Kane is the best English player of his generation and wasn't ready until he'd been on loan a bunch of times.

 

[Klaus]

Consider this morning a free lesson. I won't demand a public apology this time, but I hope you've learnt your lesson.

Bye.

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Get help.

 

[GOAT]

Get help.

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Get fucked.

 

[Silvio Dante]

Can someone enlighten me, why does this weirdo think he's the moral arbiter of this forum? Does he have any actual control here or has he basically decided he's the resident milk-monitor who likes to police the conversation?

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It's just goat. You'll grow to like him.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

View: https://youtu.be/0Vx2k32CiuI?si=qVDrzbWN2bGJNyeN

 

[zin]

It gets worse, I can't believe I never actually looked at his entire managerial history!

Team	From	To	Record
G	D	L	Win %
South Melbourne​	1 January 1996​	31 December 2000​	160	85	33	42	53.13
Australia U20​	1 January 2001​	20 February 2007​	34	23	4	7	67.65
Panachaiki​	12 March 2008​	22 December 2008​	33	16	9	8	48.48
Whittlesea Zebras​	18 April 2009​	15 August 2009​	16	2	4	10	12.50
Brisbane Roar​	16 October 2009​	24 April 2012​	84	42	24	18	50.00
Melbourne Victory​	26 April 2012​	25 October 2013​	32	15	7	10	46.88
Australia​	23 October 2013​	22 November 2017​	49	22	12	15	44.90
Yokohama F. Marinos​	1 January 2018​	10 June 2021​	161	79	31	51	49.07
Celtic​	10 June 2021​	6 June 2023​	113	83	12	18	73.45

Fuck me, 49% win rate in the J League, how has this not been mentioned before!!

Finishing 9th in the J League when you were in charge from start to finish is actually comical.

Kevin fucking Muscat has since won the J League with Yokohama, need to keep an eye on him for when this joker gets fired.

Forget the win percentages and just look the level of teams and then imagine this geezer got given the Spurs job, he's laughing. Fair play to him, who'd turn down the millions he guaranteed even knowing you're clearly out your depth.

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Look at this useless cunt, 43% win rate in the fucking Scottish league! WTF!! and only 49 trophies won!

Team	From	To	Record	Ref
P	W	D	L	Win %
East Stirlingshire​	June 1974​	October 1974​	17	9	2	6	52.9
St Mirren​	October 1974​	May 1978​	169	74	41	54	43.8
Aberdeen​	June 1978​	6 November 1986​	459	272	105	82	59.3
Scotland​	1 October 1985​	30 June 1986​	10	3	4	3	30.0
Manchester United​	6 November 1986​	19 May 2013​	1,500	895	338	267	59.7
Total	2,155	1,253	490	412	58.1	—

or what about this useless cunt? 49% career AVERAGE and only the 26 trophies!!!

Team	From	To	Record
G	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Win %
CSA​	1 January 1982​	30 April 1982​	8	1	4	3	9	13	−4	12.50
Juventude​	1 May 1982​	31 May 1983​	22	6	9	7	14	27	−13	27.27
Brasil de Pelotas​	1 June 1983​	31 December 1983​	38	13	16	9	33	29	+4	34.21
Al-Shabab​	1984​	1985​	43	16	18	9	52	42	+10	37.21
Pelotas​	1 January 1986​	31 August 1986​	26	5	12	9	21	36	−15	19.23
Juventude​	1 September 1986​	31 May 1987​	34	10	19	5	43	30	+13	29.41
Gremio​	1 June 1987​	29 February 1988​	30	16	10	4	40	19	+21	53.33
Goiás​	1 March 1988​	30 June 1988​	34	24	8	2	62	14	+48	70.59
Al-Qadisiya​	1988​	1990​	41	17	8	16	46	39	+7	41.46
Kuwait​	16 July 1990​	10 December 1990​	8	4	2	2	6	8	−2	50.00
Coritiba​	10 December 1990​	31 December 1990​	3	0	0	3	1	6	−5	0.00
Criciúma​	1 January 1991​	31 July 1991​	24	11	7	6	32	20	+12	45.83
Al-Ahli​	1 August 1991​	31 December 1991​	11	7	2	2	15	8	+7	63.64
Al-Qadisiya​	1992​	1992​	15	8	5	2	24	9	+15	53.33
Gremio​	1 January 1993​	31 December 1996​	222	99	56	67	432	272	+160	44.59
Júbilo Iwata​	1 February 1997​	29 May 1997​	16	10	2	4	28	18	+10	62.50
Palmeiras​	1 January 1998​	30 June 2000​	254	127	64	63	356	244	+112	50.00
Cruzeiro​	1 July 2000​	10 June 2001​	75	40	23	12	108	62	+46	53.33
Brazil​	11 June 2001​	9 August 2002​	26	19	1	6	56	16	+40	73.08
Portugal​	28 November 2003​	30 June 2008​	74	42	18	14	129	53	+76	56.76
Chelsea​	1 July 2008​	9 February 2009​	36	20	11	5	66	24	+42	55.56
Bunyodkor​	8 June 2009​	28 May 2010​	44	33	5	6	101	33	+68	75.00
Palmeiras​	13 June 2010​	13 September 2012​	154	65	47	42	230	174	+56	42.21
Brazil​	28 November 2012​	14 July 2014​	29	19	6	4	69	26	+43	65.52
Gremio​	29 July 2014​	19 May 2015​	51	26	12	13	61	36	+25	50.98
Guangzhou F.C​	4 June 2015​	9 November 2017​	123	74	30	19	247	119	+128	60.16
Palmeiras​	26 July 2018​	3 September 2019​	77	46	21	10	123	43	+80	59.74
Cruzeiro​	19 October 2020​	25 January 2021​	21	9	8	4	24	16	+8	42.86
Gremio​	7 July 2021​	10 October 2021​	21	9	3	9	22	22	+0	42.86
Athletico Paranaense​	4 May 2022​	13 November 2022​	47	22	14	11	68	51	+17	46.81
Atlético Mineiro​	16 June 2023​	20 March 2024​	41	19	10	12	56	34	+22	46.34
Total	817	450	380	2,494	1,506	+988	49.61

and what about this clown? 35% in the farmer's league of Germany!!! and just the 23 titles!! 51% career average!!!

Team	From	To	Record
G	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Win %
AC Milan	8 April 1974[16]	30 June 1974[16]	10	2	4	4	5	7	−2	20.00
AC Milan	2 October 1975	30 May 1976	37	19	9	9	53	33	+20	51.35
Juventus	1 July 1976[19]	30 June 1986[19]	458	246	139	73	739	359	+380	53.71
Inter Milan	1 July 1986[25]	30 June 1991[25]	233	124	65	44	354	187	+167	53.22
Juventus	1 July 1991[19]	30 June 1994[19]	142	74	44	24	236	124	+112	52.11
Bayern Munich	1 July 1994[29]	30 June 1995[29]	46	17	18	11	68	59	+9	36.96
Cagliari	1 July 1995[32]	13 February 1996[32]	25	10	3	12	27	41	−14	40.00
Bayern Munich	1 July 1996[36]	30 June 1998[29]	90	54	22	14	191	90	+101	60.00
Fiorentina	1 July 1998	30 June 2000	100	44	31	25	149	109	+40	44.00
Italy	6 July 2000[46]	15 July 2004[46]	44	25	12	7	68	30	+38	56.82
Benfica	5 July 2004	31 May 2005	51	29	10	12	82	50	+32	56.86
VfB Stuttgart	17 June 2005[67]	9 February 2006[68]	31	11	13	7	37	31	+6	35.48
Red Bull Salzburg	May 2006	30 April 2008	87	48	19	20	158	85	+73	55.17
Republic of Ireland	1 May 2008	11 September 2013	64	26	22	16	86	64	+22	40.63
Career totals	1,418	729	411	278	2,253	1,269	+984	51.41

 

[Richard Arlison]

Yes, edited my comment to give Ange some credit for those signings, even if I attribute them mainly to Lange/Paratici and the scouting dept.

Brennan we all know was Ange's main pick and that gives me greater cause for concern. Decent player but completely the wrong fit for his system in my view.

Ultimately Ange sanctioned 80m to be spend on two wingers last summer, both of whom are deemed not good enough by the majority of the fanbase. So either Ange has poor talent ID for wingers in his system, or can't coach them to standard. Which is it?

Dragusin - jury's out for now. We did well to buy him, but I don't see why Ange leaves him lingering on the bench when he could easily play him at CB and VDV at left back recently rather than Emerson.

Udogie and Porro have been very good, and again I give Ange credit there, although both have notably dropped off in recent weeks. Again my concern here is we're shipping goals despite having the best back 5 since 2017 Pochettino, which points to the problem being the system and ultimately, the manager. Conte and Mou could only dream of having this back 5.

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I rate Brennan as a player with serious potential and already one with end product. The fact that he's not a traditional Ange winger tells me that Ange is figuring out how to adapt his system for the Premier League. Everyone knows that the things that really rule in this league are pace and athleticism. Brennan seems like a character fit first, then a physical fit for the league. Adapting him to the system and adapting the system to him isn't going to happen overnight.

I'm with you on the drop off in certain players and the question I really want to know is why it has happened under every manager. I didn't expect us to be shipping goals like this when we got our first choice back 5 back and tbh, when they play, it's usually the zonal set piece thing that has caused us issues. I'm hoping Ange changes or adapts that in the summer. I'm willing to bet he does.

None of that seems like even slightly reasonable reasons to want him sacked. Especially when we credit him for helping to get buy in from new signings like VDV, Vicario, Bergvall, Maddison and also coaching up the likes of Porro, Sarr, and Udogie. I mean even Romero was considered inconsistent and hot headed before Ange came in. He's been given leadership and become one of the best CBs in the prem. Why would we move on from the manager making those calls just because things aren't going exactly to plan right now?

 

[yes]

Can someone enlighten me, why does this weirdo think he's the moral arbiter of this forum? Does he have any actual control here or has he basically decided he's the resident milk-monitor who likes to police the conversation?

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Goat is part of the furniture in this forum. Getting into a cunt off with him is a rite of passage.

Just take it on the chin.

 

[GOAT]

Look at this useless cunt, 43% win rate in the fucking Scottish league! WTF!! and only 49 trophies won!

P	W	D	L	Win %
Team	From	To	Record	Ref
East Stirlingshire​	June 1974​	October 1974​	17	9	2	6	52.9
St Mirren​	October 1974​	May 1978​	169	74	41	54	43.8
Aberdeen​	June 1978​	6 November 1986​	459	272	105	82	59.3
Scotland​	1 October 1985​	30 June 1986​	10	3	4	3	30.0
Manchester United​	6 November 1986​	19 May 2013​	1,500	895	338	267	59.7
Total	2,155	1,253	490	412	58.1	—

or what about this useless cunt? 49% career AVERAGE and only the 26 trophies!!!

G	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Win %
Team	From	To	Record
CSA​	1 January 1982​	30 April 1982​	8	1	4	3	9	13	−4	12.50
Juventude​	1 May 1982​	31 May 1983​	22	6	9	7	14	27	−13	27.27
Brasil de Pelotas​	1 June 1983​	31 December 1983​	38	13	16	9	33	29	+4	34.21
Al-Shabab​	1984​	1985​	43	16	18	9	52	42	+10	37.21
Pelotas​	1 January 1986​	31 August 1986​	26	5	12	9	21	36	−15	19.23
Juventude​	1 September 1986​	31 May 1987​	34	10	19	5	43	30	+13	29.41
Gremio​	1 June 1987​	29 February 1988​	30	16	10	4	40	19	+21	53.33
Goiás​	1 March 1988​	30 June 1988​	34	24	8	2	62	14	+48	70.59
Al-Qadisiya​	1988​	1990​	41	17	8	16	46	39	+7	41.46
Kuwait​	16 July 1990​	10 December 1990​	8	4	2	2	6	8	−2	50.00
Coritiba​	10 December 1990​	31 December 1990​	3	0	0	3	1	6	−5	0.00
Criciúma​	1 January 1991​	31 July 1991​	24	11	7	6	32	20	+12	45.83
Al-Ahli​	1 August 1991​	31 December 1991​	11	7	2	2	15	8	+7	63.64
Al-Qadisiya​	1992​	1992​	15	8	5	2	24	9	+15	53.33
Gremio​	1 January 1993​	31 December 1996​	222	99	56	67	432	272	+160	44.59
Júbilo Iwata​	1 February 1997​	29 May 1997​	16	10	2	4	28	18	+10	62.50
Palmeiras​	1 January 1998​	30 June 2000​	254	127	64	63	356	244	+112	50.00
Cruzeiro​	1 July 2000​	10 June 2001​	75	40	23	12	108	62	+46	53.33
Brazil​	11 June 2001​	9 August 2002​	26	19	1	6	56	16	+40	73.08
Portugal​	28 November 2003​	30 June 2008​	74	42	18	14	129	53	+76	56.76
Chelsea​	1 July 2008​	9 February 2009​	36	20	11	5	66	24	+42	55.56
Bunyodkor​	8 June 2009​	28 May 2010​	44	33	5	6	101	33	+68	75.00
Palmeiras​	13 June 2010​	13 September 2012​	154	65	47	42	230	174	+56	42.21
Brazil​	28 November 2012​	14 July 2014​	29	19	6	4	69	26	+43	65.52
Gremio​	29 July 2014​	19 May 2015​	51	26	12	13	61	36	+25	50.98
Guangzhou F.C​	4 June 2015​	9 November 2017​	123	74	30	19	247	119	+128	60.16
Palmeiras​	26 July 2018​	3 September 2019​	77	46	21	10	123	43	+80	59.74
Cruzeiro​	19 October 2020​	25 January 2021​	21	9	8	4	24	16	+8	42.86
Gremio​	7 July 2021​	10 October 2021​	21	9	3	9	22	22	+0	42.86
Athletico Paranaense​	4 May 2022​	13 November 2022​	47	22	14	11	68	51	+17	46.81
Atlético Mineiro​	16 June 2023​	20 March 2024​	41	19	10	12	56	34	+22	46.34
Total	817	450	380	2,494	1,506	+988	49.61

and what about this clown? 35% in the farmer's league of Germany!!! and just the 23 titles!! 51% career average!!!

G	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Win %
Team	From	To	Record
AC Milan	8 April 1974[16]	30 June 1974[16]	10	2	4	4	5	7	−2	20.00
AC Milan	2 October 1975	30 May 1976	37	19	9	9	53	33	+20	51.35
Juventus	1 July 1976[19]	30 June 1986[19]	458	246	139	73	739	359	+380	53.71
Inter Milan	1 July 1986[25]	30 June 1991[25]	233	124	65	44	354	187	+167	53.22
Juventus	1 July 1991[19]	30 June 1994[19]	142	74	44	24	236	124	+112	52.11
Bayern Munich	1 July 1994[29]	30 June 1995[29]	46	17	18	11	68	59	+9	36.96
Cagliari	1 July 1995[32]	13 February 1996[32]	25	10	3	12	27	41	−14	40.00
Bayern Munich	1 July 1996[36]	30 June 1998[29]	90	54	22	14	191	90	+101	60.00
Fiorentina	1 July 1998	30 June 2000	100	44	31	25	149	109	+40	44.00
Italy	6 July 2000[46]	15 July 2004[46]	44	25	12	7	68	30	+38	56.82
Benfica	5 July 2004	31 May 2005	51	29	10	12	82	50	+32	56.86
VfB Stuttgart	17 June 2005[67]	9 February 2006[68]	31	11	13	7	37	31	+6	35.48
Red Bull Salzburg	May 2006	30 April 2008	87	48	19	20	158	85	+73	55.17
Republic of Ireland	1 May 2008	11 September 2013	64	26	22	16	86	64	+22	40.63
Career totals	1,418	729	411	278	2,253	1,269	+984	51.41

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Damn. You went in DEEP and ended him

 

[GOAT]

Goat is part of the furniture in this forum. Getting into a cunt off with him is a rite of passage.

Just take it on the chin.

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Haha, it's done now. I've had my say, and won't over-egg the pudding, as it were.

Thanks though!

 

[Richard Arlison]

Look at this useless cunt, 43% win rate in the fucking Scottish league! WTF!! and only 49 trophies won!

Team	From	To	Record	Ref
P	W	D	L	Win %
East Stirlingshire​	June 1974​	October 1974​	17	9	2	6	52.9
St Mirren​	October 1974​	May 1978​	169	74	41	54	43.8
Aberdeen​	June 1978​	6 November 1986​	459	272	105	82	59.3
Scotland​	1 October 1985​	30 June 1986​	10	3	4	3	30.0
Manchester United​	6 November 1986​	19 May 2013​	1,500	895	338	267	59.7
Total	2,155	1,253	490	412	58.1	—

or what about this useless cunt? 49% career AVERAGE and only the 26 trophies!!!

Team	From	To	Record
G	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Win %
CSA​	1 January 1982​	30 April 1982​	8	1	4	3	9	13	−4	12.50
Juventude​	1 May 1982​	31 May 1983​	22	6	9	7	14	27	−13	27.27
Brasil de Pelotas​	1 June 1983​	31 December 1983​	38	13	16	9	33	29	+4	34.21
Al-Shabab​	1984​	1985​	43	16	18	9	52	42	+10	37.21
Pelotas​	1 January 1986​	31 August 1986​	26	5	12	9	21	36	−15	19.23
Juventude​	1 September 1986​	31 May 1987​	34	10	19	5	43	30	+13	29.41
Gremio​	1 June 1987​	29 February 1988​	30	16	10	4	40	19	+21	53.33
Goiás​	1 March 1988​	30 June 1988​	34	24	8	2	62	14	+48	70.59
Al-Qadisiya​	1988​	1990​	41	17	8	16	46	39	+7	41.46
Kuwait​	16 July 1990​	10 December 1990​	8	4	2	2	6	8	−2	50.00
Coritiba​	10 December 1990​	31 December 1990​	3	0	0	3	1	6	−5	0.00
Criciúma​	1 January 1991​	31 July 1991​	24	11	7	6	32	20	+12	45.83
Al-Ahli​	1 August 1991​	31 December 1991​	11	7	2	2	15	8	+7	63.64
Al-Qadisiya​	1992​	1992​	15	8	5	2	24	9	+15	53.33
Gremio​	1 January 1993​	31 December 1996​	222	99	56	67	432	272	+160	44.59
Júbilo Iwata​	1 February 1997​	29 May 1997​	16	10	2	4	28	18	+10	62.50
Palmeiras​	1 January 1998​	30 June 2000​	254	127	64	63	356	244	+112	50.00
Cruzeiro​	1 July 2000​	10 June 2001​	75	40	23	12	108	62	+46	53.33
Brazil​	11 June 2001​	9 August 2002​	26	19	1	6	56	16	+40	73.08
Portugal​	28 November 2003​	30 June 2008​	74	42	18	14	129	53	+76	56.76
Chelsea​	1 July 2008​	9 February 2009​	36	20	11	5	66	24	+42	55.56
Bunyodkor​	8 June 2009​	28 May 2010​	44	33	5	6	101	33	+68	75.00
Palmeiras​	13 June 2010​	13 September 2012​	154	65	47	42	230	174	+56	42.21
Brazil​	28 November 2012​	14 July 2014​	29	19	6	4	69	26	+43	65.52
Gremio​	29 July 2014​	19 May 2015​	51	26	12	13	61	36	+25	50.98
Guangzhou F.C​	4 June 2015​	9 November 2017​	123	74	30	19	247	119	+128	60.16
Palmeiras​	26 July 2018​	3 September 2019​	77	46	21	10	123	43	+80	59.74
Cruzeiro​	19 October 2020​	25 January 2021​	21	9	8	4	24	16	+8	42.86
Gremio​	7 July 2021​	10 October 2021​	21	9	3	9	22	22	+0	42.86
Athletico Paranaense​	4 May 2022​	13 November 2022​	47	22	14	11	68	51	+17	46.81
Atlético Mineiro​	16 June 2023​	20 March 2024​	41	19	10	12	56	34	+22	46.34
Total	817	450	380	2,494	1,506	+988	49.61

and what about this clown? 35% in the farmer's league of Germany!!! and just the 23 titles!! 51% career average!!!

Team	From	To	Record
G	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Win %
AC Milan	8 April 1974[16]	30 June 1974[16]	10	2	4	4	5	7	−2	20.00
AC Milan	2 October 1975	30 May 1976	37	19	9	9	53	33	+20	51.35
Juventus	1 July 1976[19]	30 June 1986[19]	458	246	139	73	739	359	+380	53.71
Inter Milan	1 July 1986[25]	30 June 1991[25]	233	124	65	44	354	187	+167	53.22
Juventus	1 July 1991[19]	30 June 1994[19]	142	74	44	24	236	124	+112	52.11
Bayern Munich	1 July 1994[29]	30 June 1995[29]	46	17	18	11	68	59	+9	36.96
Cagliari	1 July 1995[32]	13 February 1996[32]	25	10	3	12	27	41	−14	40.00
Bayern Munich	1 July 1996[36]	30 June 1998[29]	90	54	22	14	191	90	+101	60.00
Fiorentina	1 July 1998	30 June 2000	100	44	31	25	149	109	+40	44.00
Italy	6 July 2000[46]	15 July 2004[46]	44	25	12	7	68	30	+38	56.82
Benfica	5 July 2004	31 May 2005	51	29	10	12	82	50	+32	56.86
VfB Stuttgart	17 June 2005[67]	9 February 2006[68]	31	11	13	7	37	31	+6	35.48
Red Bull Salzburg	May 2006	30 April 2008	87	48	19	20	158	85	+73	55.17
Republic of Ireland	1 May 2008	11 September 2013	64	26	22	16	86	64	+22	40.63
Career totals	1,418	729	411	278	2,253	1,269	+984	51.41

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Careful Zin, this is the thread for "constructive criticism", not really a place for context and analysis, really what we want in here is mostly emotional criticism and pitch forks

 

[Klaus]

Look at this useless cunt, 43% win rate in the fucking Scottish league! WTF!! and only 49 trophies won!

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Equating Fergie winning the league with Aberdeen with Ange winning the league with Celtic must be one of the dumbest opinions in football.