Ffs we spent nearly £50M on Johnson who already had a year in the PL. you know our history with spending money we can’t afford to spend that much money on a player who cannot hit the ground running. Look at the skill level kudos brings would be perfect for our system. We get the ball to the pen box and give him the ball and his likely to do something with the ball to create a chance.
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Management Ange Postecoglou
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I suppose the argument would be people like Johnson, Sarr, Maddison, Udogie, VDV weren’t playing a system like this either.
It’s not my argument, I’m just interpreting what I think is meant by the statement.
Yes that’s what I’m implying sort of
If the back up is decent and doesn’t inspire Johnson the Johnson will be the squad player
If he’s staying as looks likely after our sparkling performance yesterday then he might realise that Johnson is much better on the right and if he doesn’t then the new manager surely will
Simple really
Beginning to regret taking you off ignore but I’ll get over it
Right Bro?
wtf, stop being thick, you literally said it again in the post you just quoted ffs
Management - Ange Postecoglou
i suppose you could say that about any player couldnt ya? even still, hes so far away from a player that fits his possession based system that if he didnt want him he should of put his foot down and explained why. weve already got son who cant play against parked up sides, we dont need another...
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If I were in the main man's shoes my
line would be we, including himself should not be in this position. That our performances since beating Villa have not been to the necessary stsndard.
That 5th as is likely is not a bad return and next season has to be better.
Lay the ground and part the sea.
line would be we, including himself should not be in this position. That our performances since beating Villa have not been to the necessary stsndard.
That 5th as is likely is not a bad return and next season has to be better.
Lay the ground and part the sea.
Couldn't care less.You’ll get some dislike mate about slating Johnson
I also got hounded for giving up on Sessegnon, Ndombele, Aurier, Lamela, Sanchez, Dele, Lucas, Bergwijn before it was fashionable. Sometimes it's obvious when a player needs selling but it takes the normies a good few years and a hundred shit performances to clock it. And in the meantime the club loses £Xmillions by not selling them sooner. Levy has a major problem accepting fuck-ups in the transfer market.
Had we sold Ndombele in that first summer for £40m like I wanted the club would have probable saved about £100m in lost wages and transfer fee combined. And our midfield wouldn't have had a glaring Ndombele-shaped hole in it for 5 seasons.
If we were to sell Brennan this summer we'd probably still make £30m, he's young and HG after all. How much will he be worth after 2 more years being played in a role he'll never suit?
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Obviously good thing that we won. More or less secured our 5th spot in the league and place in Europa League group stage for upcoming season.
I am still unsure what to think about our manager future.
Honest question those who are doubtless in Ange - doesn't it all feel like massive downward spiral for you?
Start of the season we met Burnley in league. Smashed them convincingly, basically ran over them. 5-1 to us.
Mid season we meet Burnley in cup. Very much huffing and puffing. Dire game, minimal sharpness and directness. Needed Porro screamer to win it 1:0.
End of season. Home game. Even more huffing and puffing. Most of the first half feels like not one player knows other and our attacking moves are... well shocking. Go behind and in the end just nearly win it thanks to central defender putting away a chance.
To me, this trend is worrying. Even Burnley fucking FC knew how to crave us open and score against us and I honestly feel that these 3 games against Burnley illustrate our performance levels dropping over course of a season.
I am still unsure what to think about our manager future.
Honest question those who are doubtless in Ange - doesn't it all feel like massive downward spiral for you?
Start of the season we met Burnley in league. Smashed them convincingly, basically ran over them. 5-1 to us.
Mid season we meet Burnley in cup. Very much huffing and puffing. Dire game, minimal sharpness and directness. Needed Porro screamer to win it 1:0.
End of season. Home game. Even more huffing and puffing. Most of the first half feels like not one player knows other and our attacking moves are... well shocking. Go behind and in the end just nearly win it thanks to central defender putting away a chance.
To me, this trend is worrying. Even Burnley fucking FC knew how to crave us open and score against us and I honestly feel that these 3 games against Burnley illustrate our performance levels dropping over course of a season.
Just for all those going on and on about Arteta and how he as given time.
He took over Dec 20th 2019
From that point they lost a max of 3 games in a row that season and won the FA Cup.
From the start of 20/21 season they had a rough start, where they were pretty dismal in 14 matches only winning and losing 7.
But from match week 15 - they won 14 and only lost 5.
21/22 from MW 10 they spent the majority of the rest of the season in the top 5 fighting for top 4. Their first 3 were bad, but the next 8 were good. Again, no more than 3 losses in a row.
22/23 was last season where they were pretty good all season.
To my mind, although they weren't good when he first took over, you could see improvement after an initial decline. I'm not sure if that decline happened before or after he started though. Obviously Emery was sacked to bring in Arteta, so it couldn't have been brilliant.
He took over Dec 20th 2019
From that point they lost a max of 3 games in a row that season and won the FA Cup.
From the start of 20/21 season they had a rough start, where they were pretty dismal in 14 matches only winning and losing 7.
But from match week 15 - they won 14 and only lost 5.
21/22 from MW 10 they spent the majority of the rest of the season in the top 5 fighting for top 4. Their first 3 were bad, but the next 8 were good. Again, no more than 3 losses in a row.
22/23 was last season where they were pretty good all season.
To my mind, although they weren't good when he first took over, you could see improvement after an initial decline. I'm not sure if that decline happened before or after he started though. Obviously Emery was sacked to bring in Arteta, so it couldn't have been brilliant.
I'm just not sure where we are heading under him tbh.
Like the guy but I genuinely believe the players aren't fully on board with him and this 'we play one way' just doesn't work long term for success unless your Man City
One player coming in the summer won't change how we defend either
Like the guy but I genuinely believe the players aren't fully on board with him and this 'we play one way' just doesn't work long term for success unless your Man City
One player coming in the summer won't change how we defend either
Agree with a lot of that but you also have to factor in Burnleys improvement. They were stupidly gung ho early season thinking they could out football everyone and soon finding out the premier league isnt the championship. Lately they've drawn at Utd, Chelsea, West Ham .
But we're now at 2 clean sheets in 27 games and the below par performances of 2024 have become a habit not a blip. As someone said on here the other day what do we expect to change with 6 weeks of pre season and 2 or 3 new signings when things have got worse with all these free weeks and fortnights. Not impossible, we might appoint a great coach and those signings might be difference makers but its definately more hope than expectation imo.
Signing offensive players who can actually play football helps us out massively defensively actually.
Whether we get the right ones in remains to be seen.
Ah, shit. Wish we also improved or diversified our approach.
But I think you post hit the nail to head - over course of a season, when we literally only played EPL and ducked out of cups soon... expectation would have that over such season BURNLEY IMPROVED and also WE IMPROVED. But feeling here is that while Burnley managed to do it, at the same time we have regressed to meet half way there.
That is my biggest worry. We have not progressed as a team and from 25 guys in our books, I could AT VERY BEST could say that those improved could be Romero (less rashness and cards) and VDV (even more effective in covering our high line); even those two come with some questions, cause as a team we still concede from left and right. But on top of them, absolutely everyone else have regressed over season. Some more (Kulusevski, Bissouma, Sarr, Maddison), some less (Son, Porro, Vicario), but all other certainly have.
This still makes me think that (right or wrong) but Ange will not last until Xmas.
On paper our entire defensive unit should be one of the best in the league, not 8th in the top half of the table.
I could accept a porus defence if it wasn't for the fact we've been outscored by even Chelsea now.
I'm supposed to be cheerful and happy right now because we've kept 2 clean sheets in 7 months?
Because the team are set up to be cut through time and again?
I'm not swayed by a late winner against Burnley, and as much as we have to lose tomorrow what a sad state of affairs to be in.
Back to the pre-Poch, Redknapp and even Jol days of ending the season wishing that lot miss out on the title with nothing to go for ourselves and instead of being a season of progress that gives something to look forward to, it's gotten progressively worse.
But yeah, that's just me being negative and a miserable cunt amidst all of the exciting progress that's clearly been made, scored less than Chelsea, conceded more than Everton.
A natural goal scorer at striker would definitely help. Maybe the most important thing is finding a backup for van de Ven. Because the system will so often require him to make recovery runs it will be hard for him to stay healthy, and those recovery runs are critical. Midfield could be much improved if Postecoglou and his staff can sort out Bissouma's problems and get him back to form. And perhaps the team should bring in experienced coaches for his staff. It didn't seem the team was well prepared for matches this season.