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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Kiro Kompiro said:
Where you are from, where you have played and coached matters massively when getting an opportunity. Look at Alonso's career prior to Leverkusen- he coached Sociedad's B team to relegation from the second division. How miraculous was Alonso success to deserve a Bundesliga shot?
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Bit unfair to use Alonso. He was one of the very best midfielders/players to play in probably the 3 best leagues in the world.
He was and is regarded as an intelligent, tactically astute professional. I'd say he's been watched by everyone since he hung his boots up.
But, for the sake of debate, he was still about 39 when he took over Sociedad B, he got them promoted to the 2nd tier for the first time since 1962.
He went to Leverkausen who are the Spurs of Germany and turned them into arguably the best team in Europe last season. 1 game away from an unbeaten treble is absolutely insane.
He will be huge in football. He could possibly eclipse Pep.

If I was comparing Ange to someone, it would be more like a Wenger or a Fergie. Fergie won a league title with Aberdeen. That alone was huge enough to get the gig at United, but that wasn't the juggernaut United don't forget. He built that. He was 45 when he got that job.

Wenger, well, we all know. The less said the better. But he was 47 and had shown signs he was changing football to a more modern game on and off the pitch.

Ange was 55ish before anyone outside of Australia/Japan. And it was Celtic. And they were ridiculed for it. The fact he hadn't even done his Uefa licences by that time tells me even he wasn't expecting a call from Europe.
 
Mince Charming said:
I mean he took the worst team in the league and in his second season set a record for the longest unbeaten run in all of Australian sports, and what did achievements like that mean for his European job prospects? Zero.

So I'm curious what you think a manager could do in the Australian league to garner the attention of a Lyon or an Atletico or a Schalke?
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First part is worth me asking for my own knowledge. But how competitive/established is the Australian league? Is it even remotely like a 100+ year old European league where there's usually 3-5 teams who have pretty much been there all the time and the rest make up the numbers? Or is it a league where nothing much is established and a team could just as easily go down as win the league?
For me, Fergie winning the Scottish title with Aberdeen and Alonso doing what he did last season is pretty much unrivalled. They took down the titans of their leagues.

For the 2nd part, and you may correct me if I'm wrong here, but he hardly moved "up" in increments, did he? Just a job from one to the next. Like Everton to Brentford to Brighton type moves.
 
After only one season and we are still having this conversation if Ange is good enough? What is wrong with people? Just support him, this last season had more positives than the last two seasons combined.

Show some patience, for once we have a manager that is being positive, changing the culture in a good way and bringing in very promising players. Stop treating him like a Jose or Conte and expect trophies the first day.
 
Matt1882 said:
First part is worth me asking for my own knowledge. But how competitive/established is the Australian league? Is it even remotely like a 100+ year old European league where there's usually 3-5 teams who have pretty much been there all the time and the rest make up the numbers? Or is it a league where nothing much is established and a team could just as easily go down as win the league?
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It's only been running since 2005. The previous league, the NSL, was disbanded in 2004 due to financial problems and public fallout over ethnic rivalry between clubs. The A-League was formed in 2005 with mainly new franchises and specifically avoided any ethnic alignment of the new teams. It has grown from 8 to 12 team competition with the addition of 7 new franchises and 3 clubs going bust.

It's a salary-capped competition which makes it difficult for one team to dominate. In the 2011 season for example, 2010 premiers Sydney FC dropped from first to 9th, while 2010 wooden spooners Adelaide Utd lifted from 10th to 3rd. Even City Group club Melbourne City dropped to 6th last season after having won the previous three seasons.

Salary cap limitations make it a difficult comp to come in and win as an owner or manager; you can't just buy a title oligarch-style. The list of former A-League Men managers includes Robbie Fowler, Dwight Yorke, Terry Butcher, Paul Nevin.
 
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SeeSpotRun said:
It's only been running since 2005. The previous league, the NSL, was disbanded in 2004 due to financial problems and public fallout over ethnic rivalry between clubs. The A-League was formed in 2005 with mainly new franchises and specifically avoided any ethnic alignment of the new teams. It has grown from 8 to 12 team competition with the addition of 7 new franchises and 3 clubs going bust.

It's a salary-capped competition which makes it difficult for one team to dominate. In the 2011 season for example, 2010 premiers Sydney FC dropped from first to 9th, while 2010 wooden spooners lifted from 10th to 3rd. Even City Group club Melbourne City dropped to 6th last season after having won the previous three seasons.

Salary cap limitations make it a difficult comp to come in and win as an owner or manager; you can't just buy a title oligarch-style. The list of former A-League Men managers includes Robbie Fowler, Dwight Yorke, Terry Butcher, Paul Nevin.
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Kinda what I thought. It's nothing like Aberdeen or Leverkausen winning a title. It could have been anyone, any time that saw it happen. You only need to look at the English 1st Div. before the 60s to see how many random teams came along and won titles. Especially pre war.
 
Matt1882 said:
Kinda what I thought. It's nothing like Aberdeen or Leverkausen winning a title. It could have been anyone, any time that saw it happen. You only need to look at the English 1st Div. before the 60s to see how many random teams came along and won titles. Especially pre war.
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Sure. But he did see it happen. Which was enough to get him the job at Melbourne Victory, and his results there got him the job with the Australian national team, all of which was enough to get him in in the door in Japan and so on.

Now he's at Spurs and facing a huge challenge. I hope he's up to it, and that he gets the support he needs. Get behind him, or don't, it's your choice.
 
Matt1882 said:
First part is worth me asking for my own knowledge. But how competitive/established is the Australian league? Is it even remotely like a 100+ year old European league where there's usually 3-5 teams who have pretty much been there all the time and the rest make up the numbers? Or is it a league where nothing much is established and a team could just as easily go down as win the league?
For me, Fergie winning the Scottish title with Aberdeen and Alonso doing what he did last season is pretty much unrivalled. They took down the titans of their leagues.

For the 2nd part, and you may correct me if I'm wrong here, but he hardly moved "up" in increments, did he? Just a job from one to the next. Like Everton to Brentford to Brighton type moves.
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His Australian domestic record is unsurpassed. The most titles won (4), first ever to go back to back in the A-League. As significant an impact is the cultural shift and how the game should be played.

I don't understand your second point-he's gone from Australia to Japan to Scotland and won the league every time. Isn't that incremental? (Ok so Japan to Scotland is at best a sideways step but it is a doorway to European opportunity.)

Celtic was in a diabolical mess when he arrived-not like when Rogers came back and had a squad that had won 5 out of 6 trophies that Postecoglou had left him.

Alonso had not won a single managerial trophy when he got the Leverkusen job. Postecoglou had won eleven. No f'en way is winning promotion to the Secunda division- in the lottery of a play-off mind- remotely comparable. Its not even in the orbit. Yes what Alonso has done since is extraordinary He was a huge risk for Leverkusen.

So which inexperienced manager in any third division is worth the risk to manage Tottenham?
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
His Australian domestic record is unsurpassed. The most titles won (4), first ever to go back to back in the A-League. As significant an impact is the cultural shift and how the game should be played.

I don't understand your second point-he's gone from Australia to Japan to Scotland and won the league every time. Isn't that incremental? (Ok so Japan to Scotland is at best a sideways step but it is a doorway to European opportunity.)

Celtic was in a diabolical mess when he arrived-not like when Rogers came back and had a squad that had won 5 out of 6 trophies that Postecoglou had left him.

Alonso had not won a single managerial trophy when he got the Leverkusen job. Postecoglou had won eleven. No f'en way is winning promotion to the Secunda division- in the lottery of a play-off mind- remotely comparable. Its not even in the orbit. Yes what Alonso has done since is extraordinary He was a huge risk for Leverkusen.

So which inexperienced manager in any third division is worth the risk to manage Tottenham?
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Australia to Japan to Scotland is about as sideways as it gets.
Celtic are by far and away the most dominant side in Scotland and have been for well over a decade since Rangers went belly up. Celtic in a "diabolical mess" is finishing 2nd once every 10 years. Winning titles there is as easy as showing up for work and not being a dick to your players.

I can't see why so many people think it's remotely comparable to talk about Australia, Japan and Scotland compared to the PL and Bundesliga.
If just winning titles is all that matters, why are we not taking guys who win titles in league 2 or the national league? They're probably more competitive.
 
Matt1882 said:
Australia to Japan to Scotland is about as sideways as it gets.
Celtic are by far and away the most dominant side in Scotland and have been for well over a decade since Rangers went belly up. Celtic in a "diabolical mess" is finishing 2nd once every 10 years. Winning titles there is as easy as showing up for work and not being a dick to your players.

I can't see why so many people think it's remotely comparable to talk about Australia, Japan and Scotland compared to the PL and Bundesliga.
If just winning titles is all that matters, why are we not taking guys who win titles in league 2 or the national league? They're probably more competitive.
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It's still football just the player's are better champ
 
spPadre24 said:
It's still football just the player's are better champ
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It's not the same. But thanks for calling me champ.

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Stlducks said:
After only one season and we are still having this conversation if Ange is good enough? What is wrong with people? Just support him, this last season had more positives than the last two seasons combined.

Show some patience, for once we have a manager that is being positive, changing the culture in a good way and bringing in very promising players. Stop treating him like a Jose or Conte and expect trophies the first day.
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Exactly.

Look back to when he was appointed, there was a general acceptance that we can't expect to win a major trophy right away.

Lo and behold, we don't win a major trophy right away.

"Sack him, he's out of his depth".
 
I despise how he handled the tail end of last season more then anything one of our ex managers have done in recent history.

Ridiculing the importance of defending set pieces and being a sarcy twat when questioned on it.

Ridiculing reporters and the fanbase who preferred we didn't win against City.

Allowing us to get absolutely battered by various teams with no changes to the system (or personal for the most part). Roll on City game and finally attempted numerous changes such was his desire to win that particular game.

Speaking in riddles after the game insinuating there were issues inside and outside the club.

Laughing at a reporter about reading and paying attention to social media only to state the following week that he cared what people were going to say on....social media.

Belittling the importance of mental health when one of his own players was going through mental health issues to the point he was talking about suicide.


You can tell a lot about how a human being behaves when things are not going their way and he absolutely failed that test with flying colours.
 
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Stlducks said:
After only one season and we are still having this conversation if Ange is good enough? What is wrong with people? Just support him, this last season had more positives than the last two seasons combined.
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What Conte achieved in his first season - dragging that Nuno-inspired mess to top 4 - massively eclipses anything we did last year.
 
kingdawson said:
I despise how he handled the tail end of last season more then anything one of our ex managers have done in recent history.

Ridiculing the importance of defending set pieces and being a sarcy twat when questioned on it.

Ridiculing reporters and the fanbase who preferred we didn't win against City.

Allowing us to get absolutely battered by various teams with no changes to the system (or personal for the most part). Roll on City game and finally attempted numerous changes such was his desire to win that particular game.

Speaking in riddles after the game insinuating there were issues inside and outside the club.

Laughing at a reporter about reading and paying attention to social media only to state the following week that he cared what people were going to say on....social media.

Belittling the importance of mental health when one of his own players was going through mental health issues to the point he was talking about suicide.


You can tell a lot about how a human being behaves when things are not going their way and he absolutely failed that test with flying colours.
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It was never going to be plain sailing but there were too many little fires he seemed unable to handle for my liking. Not great omens at all.
 
kingdawson said:
I despise how he handled the tail end of last season more then anything one of our ex managers have done in recent history.

Ridiculing the importance of defending set pieces and being a sarcy twat when questioned on it.

Ridiculing reporters and the fanbase who preferred we didn't win against City.

Allowing us to get absolutely battered by various teams with no changes to the system (or personal for the most part). Roll on City game and finally attempted numerous changes such was his desire to win that particular game.

Speaking in riddles after the game insinuating there were issues inside and outside the club.

Laughing at a reporter about reading and paying attention to social media only to state the following week that he cared what people were going to say on....social media.

Belittling the importance of mental health when one of his own players was going through mental health issues to the point he was talking about suicide.


You can tell a lot about how a human being behaves when things are not going their way and he absolutely failed that test with flying colours.
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Will be interesting to see what happens tbh, will he last the season? Welcome Potter?
 
Starks said:
Talk about being in the trenches if we end up replacing Ange with Potter at some point next season.

I reckon we'll be competing for top four. Going hard in Europe and promoting fair few of the youth into the squad next season. The year of the Moore.

Up the Spurs.
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Potter is a good tactically flexible manager, but I hope we do well this season it's just with how the season ended it's up in the air
 
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