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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Deuterz said:
Lol mate the audacity to say ‘Howe and his Saudi backed team’ - he took over a team hovering above RELEGATION and we have both a much higher wage bill and Ange has spent more than Howe. Newcastle badly wanted Solanke for example, couldn’t pay it. Ange has had way more resources than Howe you joker, imagine if Ange had to rely on the genuine championship level talent Howe did for most of last season !!! Burn, Krafth, Murphy, Longstaff…..

As for Poch - we’ve done this. They’ve spent loads but the project there is a fucking mess. He had a million new players to gel. His team showed improvement consistently as the season went on, got to one final and a semi final, and beat us home and away. They were behind us by inches when he was able to actually get a completely alien squad to click together. Meanwhile with Ange we’ve steadily got worse the more time he’s had and the more money spent.

I’m not in the sack ange camp (and hire who?) but your positive comparisons to these managers are beyond dishonest. Only somebody beyond deluded would ever claim Ange has done a better job here than Howe has at Newcastle.
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I imagine he would have finished eighth.

As for Poch's project being a mess, what do you call this?
 
TheSpurEst said:
Good.

Now scroll down a little.
To table "Total days lost to injuries" which also includes LENGTH of the injury, not just number of injuries. Cause in your table missing 1 game with sprained ankle is equal to breaking both of calves, but impact of those injuries is vastly different.

There you can see - Newcastle 1950 days, Tottenham 1402 days. That is 28% difference. Between quarter and one third worse. And that does not include full season ban for their record signing (nothing alike for us during past season).

So any way you look at it, Newcastle had it MUCH worse.
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It also depends on who the players were, the depth of the squad, the stage of development the squad is.

All that aside as you'd expect we finished above them. What did you expect after the previou season. Top 3?
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
This is one of the best posts I have read on this forum since signing up and I am also absolutely tired of this hipster nonsense from people who are blinded by the magical possession based football ideology and how it guarantees success and has a higher ceiling when every objective metric suggests otherwise (as you highlighted.)

I get that people were fed up with the way we played under Conte in his last season but this idea we should stick with Ange because his football has a higher ceiling and it will all "click" at some point and start producing Harlem Globetrotters level results is actual delusional behaviour.

Right now he is looking completely out of his depth as a PL manager and let's face it, we haven't had a run of good consistent results since the Chelsea game, anybody being honest with themselves knows this to be true and no amount of fucking possession is going to change THAT metric.
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Thanks mate!

It also bugs me a lot too. Cause to me, this Guardiola-style of very possession and passing-heavy football is not to my taste at all. I am not claiming that he would be shit manager or anything close to that. He is obviously achieved a lot and is great manager. Just to me this kind of football is not nearly as exciting compared to more direct attacking patterns that managers like Flick or Heynckes used. It can be also entertaining and high-scoring game, as Bayern 7:0 demolition of Barca proved over two legs.

It does not mean either that I would think we should go back to football where defense is start and end of everything. I also suffered for most of Mourinho time and 2nd season of Conte. But there IS middle ground between those options.

Third thing I am NOT saying is that Ange is completely finished and total idiot and whatnot. He is still our manager and I believe there is still time and room to turn it around. But in order for it to happen, he has to change our approach. NO it does not have to mean playing 3 CBs or totally change formation, some smaller tricks can bring a change. But across almost year, it has been clear - Johnson-Son-Werner are not just this system wingers. Now that window is shut, he HAS TO work with options we have and if they are round pegs, he should not push them into rectangular holes. Instead he should work on making the pegs bit more rectangular and turn holes bit closer to being round-shaped.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
It also depends on who the players were, the depth of the squad, the stage of development the squad is.

All that aside as you'd expect we finished above them. What did you expect after the previou season. Top 3?
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Eh? What is it all about now?

Yes. We did finish above them. But part of it was their significantly worse injury record. The latter part was what we were arguing about. Not about expectation to us or some big narrative - this is deflecting from original point.

Also thing more related to it - they have 10 points in EPL table and we sit on 4, 6pts difference after just four rounds.
 
Some horror stats.
  • Tottenham have conceded 26 set-piece goals in the Premier League since the start of last season, second only to Nottingham Forest's 27.
  • Spurs are looking to avoid losing three of their opening five league games for the first time since the 2008-09 season under Juande Ramos.
  • They have lost seven of their past 11 top-flight matches, only earning points in that run against relegated pair Burnley and Sheffield United, promoted Leicester City and bottom of the table Everton.
  • Spurs are looking to avoid equalling their longest home losing streak in Premier League London derbies: three from August 2003 to April 2004.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Eh? What is it all about now?

Yes. We did finish above them. But part of it was their significantly worse injury record. The latter part was what we were arguing about. Not about expectation to us or some big narrative - this is deflecting from original point.

Also thing more related to it - they have 10 points in EPL table and we sit on 4, 6pts difference after just four rounds.
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And you could also argue part of it was Postecoglou's management over the whole season being better because he gets the credit for the wins and cops the blame for the losses.

Yes it is just 4 rounds-another 34 to go.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
And you could also argue part of it was Postecoglou's management over the whole season being better because he gets the credit for the wins and cops the blame for the losses.

Yes it is just 4 rounds-another 34 to go.
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Of course it was. Show me who and where has disagreed with it?
You really seem to argue more with yourself than with others. All I've seen been pointed out regarding that was - Howe had very difficult season, partly due to injuries.
Then someone said that "but we had injuries too". And discussion went - who had worse injury history. And it was Newcastle.

People were just pointing out that they had it even more difficult.

So what with that 34 to go? You seem just quite an average troll here. Anything could happen and we could not argue over the future. We'll see how that goes on, right now the fact "but it could be better" is not an argument but a wish.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Good.

Now scroll down a little.
To table "Total days lost to injuries" which also includes LENGTH of the injury, not just number of injuries. Cause in your table missing 1 game with sprained ankle is equal to breaking both of calves, but impact of those injuries is vastly different.

There you can see - Newcastle 1950 days, Tottenham 1402 days. That is 28% difference. Between quarter and one third worse. And that does not include full season ban for their record signing (nothing alike for us during past season).

So any way you look at it, Newcastle had it MUCH worse.
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And as of now, they're 3rd and we're 13th....just saying...
 
Notabadsquad said:
The worst thing at the present time is that other clubs'' fans are probably Postecoglou stays.

There can be no worse indictment.

The way this ends has that feeling of inevitability, for lots of reasons, but mostly because we don't really have a player who can go on a 5-match unplayable run.

How we miss star players.
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I miss the days of getting a 28-30 year old star player who raises the team and does magical things with a football.

Seems everyone just wants potential and the perfect system these days
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
I asked you to back up the second claim about how long they were out for- I'm still waiting for you to prove your second point.
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Back what up? If you mean I should calculate how many days our first team players were out injured compared to the other 19 Premier League clubs, you’re having a laugh, I’m not gonna send my Friday evening doing that shit.

Kiro Kompiro said:
Its ridiculous to dismiss or downplay the effects of the injuries on the team results last season.
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But I didn’t. I just think it’s blown out of proportions, by pumping the injury list with players who had no future here.
 
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