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Management Ange Postecoglou

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have to give him more time to see if things start to come together more. Our team/squad isn’t as good as people say either and the league is definitely more competitive. Probably 8 teams could get in the top four and have good teams/squads. A few years ago it was 5-6 teams way ahead of everyone else.

The one worry for me is Ange is a motivational manager more than anything. After so many losses, how effective are those messages going to be now. There’s only so many rousing speeches he probably has in his locker. At Celtic he probably only had to go to that well 4-5 times a season. The same with Ferguson at United who had the team. The players are getting used to it and used to losing.
 
Kosher Kid said:
We want him to succeed don't we?

I want his no compromise football to work.

Fuck defending and just attack.

It's very Spursy. Real Spursy.

We have battered several teams at home this season and United away was also a battering.

The pain and trauma of the Brighton away game, Palace away and now the Ipswich debacle at home are leading to doubts regarding whether this football is sustainable in the Premier League.

It's a fair point that with Ange's football it was easier to get winning results in the Scottish and Japanese leagues. The strength and quality of the opposition makes the transition to all out continual attack smoother if you can roll the majority of teams over without too much trouble. Ange has clearly never faced so many half decent teams as he has in the Premier League.

The higher standard of the opposition coaches, week to week, has to have been a further issue he is not used to dealing with. A higher percentage of Premier League managers are capable of devising one off game tactics to frustrate Spurs and make in game substitutions and tactical changes if their plan A fails.

These arguments are inescapable and plausable.

Ange sticks to his principles and expects the players to sort it out and not hide.

It's simple really. Keep attacking, score more goals than the other team. How can you not know what you should be doing?

I like it in principle.

From what I have seen so far this season I think Ange should do two things very soon.

1. Drop Romero from the starting 11 and make him fight for his place or request a transfer.

2. Make Bentancur captain and instruct him to lead the team, by example and with verbal instructions, on the pitch.
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Agree but there is no chance Ange does those two things.
 
I think it's 50:50 on Postecoglou staying for the duration of this season.

It's a really mediocre PL, so 10th but 3 points from 3rd is nothing.

The 2 biggest issues by a country mile are the losses to Ipswich and Palace, and no real progress on the field. Iam still smarting from Sunday. A real kick in the proverbials.

Nearly any manager worth their salt could have got us a paltry 16 points, but a another striker and a good DM gives us 6 to 9 more points,, without a doubt.

I am at the stage where I think it's possible we could beat City, unlikely as it is in my opinion, but where my joy would be tempered by the knowledge that we could then go and lose to Southampton. Fcuking nonsense.

We are defensively and mentally fragile.
 
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Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
I have tried to explain why the tactical set up is causing both direct and indirectly some of these issue but it like people have very poor comprehension or I'm terrible at explaining.

So last go for you Matt1882 because I think you do see it. In that horrific reel you can possibly put two of the goals attributable to the players being pushed up a little too far, the Isak one and I think one of the Brighton. The individual errors (that in this order of frequency ) made by Romero, Udogie, Porro, VDV,Vicario, Johnson make are fully on them.

However and here's the bit some willfully miss the tactical setup and the lack of in game management the emphasis on full first third pressing. With a squad as unbalanced as ours it's going to give up chances. Worse Ange happily admitted he does not mind conceding goals so the ethos of stubbornly defending your clean sheet is totally absent in the collective conscious of the players.

We gave up 38 shots on target against Galatasaray. That's frankly ridiculous we are still to play city twice Woolwich away, chelsea twice this is a recipe for sone heavy beatings, and although folk glibly dismiss the attrional nature of such a high press highline lots of recovery contact style game it will cause you issues. We were warned by Celtic fans about the injuries and hamstrings twanging and still we did not get adequate cover for the defence to play Angeball.

Tactics are more than where players stand or whether your fullbacks under or overlap. The way the team ethos dictates how you approach games, always front foot always pressing little to no attempt to slow or break oponents flow ( Ange utterly reviles this part of the game) it's naive at best. I'm on record as saying I don't think this football can work in the EPL, I'm inclined to belive it's at odds with the current international football calendar. But take zero joy in knowing this because the joke is Ange is the coach I've liked best as a bloke since Burkinshaw.
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It's actually hilarious that people are blaming the players.
They're now willing the likes of Romero and Porro out the door over Ange.
Watch those players go on to become raving successes and win everything.
And then watch the same fans blame their replacements and say it's not Ange's training and tactics.
 
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our total spend is like 320m since he's been in charge isn't is? we are also the highest net spenders since he's been in charge as well.

He's been backed by Levy but the problem is he's spending considerable amounts of money on players that do not even suit the style of play he's trying to implement.

Let's actually analyse the signings:
Brenan Johnson 40m
I initially didn't want us to sign him as I didn't think he would suit our style of play. We desperately needed a tricky winger whose instincts are to beat a man and cross first. Johnson on the other hand is a goalscoring type 'wide player" who prefers to pick up dangerous attacking positions more centrally. I ended up liking what I saw but still...he wasn't the type of player needed in the system.

Radu Dragusn 25m
Again he's the complete opposite of what Ange is trying to implement. I still think there's a good player in there but it's clear Ange doesn't trust him so we're left starting a player that makes numerous errors.

Archie Gray 35m
Ange banged on about needing young players yet we spent a lot of money on this player whose barely been given a change. I actually didn't want us to sign him because I was almost certain he wouldnt really get much of a chance this season and I desperately wanted us to improve first 11 in which we desperately needed another signing to do that. No way was Levy going to fork out more £££ for that first 11 signing and Gray.

James Maddison 40m
What are we actually asking him to do? I'm not exactly sure what he's being instructed to do? comes deep, then his wide, then he's deep again, then he occasionally goes forward, then back to deep. Does he have the same 'free role' Romero has?

Dominic Solanke 60m
Clearly a very good player in there but again what are the instructions? why are we ever playing to his strengths?

Mickey Van Der Ven 40m
Excellent signing that actually suits the system, no issues.

Guglielmo Vicario 17m
Very good signing that suits the system, no issues.

Wilson Odobert 30m
Jury still out and unlucky with injuries but signing a more proven player would have made more sense.


Those are the significant signings.It just seems we've spent all this money on players that don't particularly suit the system. The positive is that none are bad players so bringing in a new manager doesn't mean we will have to replace these players.

Imo Ange shouldn't be given any more money to spend in January if he's still here.
 
Matt1882 said:
It's actually hilarious that people are blaming the players.
They're now willing the likes of Romero and Porro out the door over Ange.
Watch those players go on to become raving successes and win everything.
And then watch the same fans blame their replacements and say it's not Ange's training and tactics.
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It's absolutely hilarious that you still think you have any credibility on here.

You've been told enough times already. Do one.

(Or at least actually watch football so you then have some basic knowledge to form an opinion).
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
I have tried to explain why the tactical set up is causing both direct and indirectly some of these issue but it like people have very poor comprehension or I'm terrible at explaining.

So last go for you Matt1882 because I think you do see it. In that horrific reel you can possibly put two of the goals attributable to the players being pushed up a little too far, the Isak one and I think one of the Brighton. The individual errors (that in this order of frequency ) made by Romero, Udogie, Porro, VDV,Vicario, Johnson make are fully on them.

However and here's the bit some willfully miss the tactical setup and the lack of in game management the emphasis on full first third pressing. With a squad as unbalanced as ours it's going to give up chances. Worse Ange happily admitted he does not mind conceding goals so the ethos of stubbornly defending your clean sheet is totally absent in the collective conscious of the players.

We gave up 38 shots on target against Galatasaray. That's frankly ridiculous we are still to play city twice Woolwich away, chelsea twice this is a recipe for sone heavy beatings, and although folk glibly dismiss the attrional nature of such a high press highline lots of recovery contact style game it will cause you issues. We were warned by Celtic fans about the injuries and hamstrings twanging and still we did not get adequate cover for the defence to play Angeball.

Tactics are more than where players stand or whether your fullbacks under or overlap. The way the team ethos dictates how you approach games, always front foot always pressing little to no attempt to slow or break oponents flow ( Ange utterly reviles this part of the game) it's naive at best. I'm on record as saying I don't think this football can work in the EPL, I'm inclined to belive it's at odds with the current international football calendar. But take zero joy in knowing this because the joke is Ange is the coach I've liked best as a bloke since Burkinshaw.
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Personally i would have no problem admitting it's all on Ange!

But i won't do that until the man get's some decent defenders in.

I know a lot of our problems comes from the high pressing.

But i'm talking about how we defend our penalty box. And i haven't seen anything yet to suggest it's down to tactics. When i do, i will have no problem admitting it!

I just don't think the solution is to fire yet another manager, yet!

And i won't be calling people with different opinions than mine unintelligent idiots!

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I've got an hour to kill before my gate is announced (blatent I'm off on my travels again! - it's an international break!).
Thought I'd catch up on this thread, but saw that 50-odd pages had been added and couldn’t face reading through what I'd imagine are very negative posts.
Not that I blame people for doing that, Sunday's performance deserves it, tbh.
I'm still willing Ange to succeed, because the style he wants to implement is the stuff I enjoy watching. But whether it's his game management, tactical nous or the players not able to carry out his instructions, it's just not working.
I don't think dumping him is the answer, but how much time can we afford to give him? And would his replacement be better?
At the moment, Ange's appointment seems like a huge gamble, and I don’t feel it's going to pay off (I really want to be wrong).
 
Mrs Perryman said:
I've got an hour to kill before my gate is announced (blatent I'm off on my travels again! - it's an international break!).
Thought I'd catch up on this thread, but saw that 50-odd pages had been added and couldn’t face reading through what I'd imagine are very negative posts.
Not that I blame people for doing that, Sunday's performance deserves it, tbh.
I'm still willing Ange to succeed, because the style he wants to implement is the stuff I enjoy watching. But whether it's his game management, tactical nous or the players not able to carry out his instructions, it's just not working.
I don't think dumping him is the answer, but how much time can we afford to give him? And would his replacement be better?
At the moment, Ange's appointment seems like a huge gamble, and I don’t feel it's going to pay off (I really want to be wrong).
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I make you right on this Mrs Perryman Mrs Perryman
 
Mrs Perryman said:
I've got an hour to kill before my gate is announced (blatent I'm off on my travels again! - it's an international break!).
Thought I'd catch up on this thread, but saw that 50-odd pages had been added and couldn’t face reading through what I'd imagine are very negative posts.
Not that I blame people for doing that, Sunday's performance deserves it, tbh.
I'm still willing Ange to succeed, because the style he wants to implement is the stuff I enjoy watching. But whether it's his game management, tactical nous or the players not able to carry out his instructions, it's just not working.
I don't think dumping him is the answer, but how much time can we afford to give him? And would his replacement be better?
At the moment, Ange's appointment seems like a huge gamble, and I don’t feel it's going to pay off (I really want to be wrong).
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I hoped it would work, but I fear that he's not going to make it in the PL. It's beginning to look like some of the players are losing confidence in him too - especially Maddison. Once he's lost a number of them he's on his way out.

Am I Ange out? Not quite, but I'm getting there.
 
VonnegutBusy said:
Ange has got us 56 points from his last 38 PL games.

That would have you finishing 8-9th on average over the last 8 seasons.

Feels like we might slip below that this season.
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The problem is, it's actually skewed. We've only played Chelsea, Liverpool & City twice in that time, but we have played many of the lower teams 3 times. Our current position is very tenuous as we've had such an easy run of games.

And still not won the ones we'd expect/demand we won.
 
Matt1882 said:
It's actually hilarious that people are blaming the players.
They're now willing the likes of Romero and Porro out the door over Ange.
Watch those players go on to become raving successes and win everything.
And then watch the same fans blame their replacements and say it's not Ange's training and tactics.
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Spot on, it's bizarre how you can watch multiple players (all internationals) regress in their performance levels and come to the conclusion that it's because they're all bad players and nothing to do with the "coaching" they've been given by the assorted chancers that make up the "coaching staff".

The fact that the team's best spell was the first 10 games and it's been downhill ever since should be a massive clue about the quality of coaching and tactical instruction they receive but no, it's all down to these international footballers all being shit and the geezer who's only ever managed in pub leagues (and has assembled a staff that reflects that) is clearly doing nothing wrong.

Like you say, it will end with the quality players leaving and thriving elsewhere which is even more frustrating as the longer this clown is allowed to run amok here the harder it'll be to convince even quality youngsters to come here let alone established players.
 
Mrs Perryman said:
I've got an hour to kill before my gate is announced (blatent I'm off on my travels again! - it's an international break!).
Thought I'd catch up on this thread, but saw that 50-odd pages had been added and couldn’t face reading through what I'd imagine are very negative posts.
Not that I blame people for doing that, Sunday's performance deserves it, tbh.
I'm still willing Ange to succeed, because the style he wants to implement is the stuff I enjoy watching. But whether it's his game management, tactical nous or the players not able to carry out his instructions, it's just not working.
I don't think dumping him is the answer, but how much time can we afford to give him? And would his replacement be better?
At the moment, Ange's appointment seems like a huge gamble, and I don’t feel it's going to pay off (I really want to be wrong).
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That's a very reasonable opinion to have and explains where I'm at.

There's little point sticking with someone if you know it isn't going anywhere.
 
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