I get that. But I'd rather at least try than settle for mediocre, which is all we'll be under Ange I'm afraid.
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Why? It was Roma. A good European side. We shouldn’t rotate against them. Teams play full strength in the CL and then full strength in the league all the time. We aren’t unique.
We rightly went full strength against them because a win puts us in a great position in a competition we have a solid shot at.
Starting the likes of Lankshear in important European matches is madness.
exactly that, they might not of won but we felt like we could and there was a buzz about the place and excitement. right now its miserable. you have to be one hell of a simpleton to be optimistic after what weve seen since hes arrived, the guys so out of his depth its laughable.
none of the so called 'big' wins have gave me any feeling of joy because you fucking know whats next. excitement will return when he gets sacked and we get someone else in who actually understands the game.
Besides the most ardent of loyalists/managers with unwavering integrity, this is a bit of a myth. We have enough clout and cash to attract e.g. Iraola or Silva out of their respective clubs, both of whom I feel would adopt an approach appealing to our attacking sensibilities while shoring up our defensive foundation. We need to be able to win in more than one way with resources at hand, and Ange is not showing he's willing and/or capable enough to do that.
It would be money wasted until Levy fucks off anyway.
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We played extremely strong sides against Palace and Ipswich, though. Lost to 2 relegation clubs who hadn't beaten anyone else.
I agree our squad is 4th-6th. But we're 7th. We should be looking to employ a manager that provides added value to the squad, not neutral to negative effect.
Iraola, Frank, Silva...someone who has shown the ability to do better than Ange with less.
It's why I don't think we have anywhere near the squad people want Ange to turn into world beaters. We can play football but don't have anywhere near the physicality required to go to the next level yet.
Take Solanke and Kulu out of the that front 4/5 - it becomes powder puff. Especially when Porro can't win a one one battle to save his life.
that's why I'm not sure a change of manager is the panacea we'd hope for. I might be wrong though...
Pretty sure all that we achieve is a massive compensation bill . I don’t know the exact amount but can you imagine the amount of money we have paid out in compensation to sacked managers and to clubs whose manager we have poached . Yet we haggle on wages and fees , I’m sorry Levy is a buffoon imho . I pay an extortionate amount of money for my two seasons tickets , so I will whine as much as I want about Levy and ENIC . They exploit fan loyalty knowing you cannot switch teams like you can supermarkets.
Some people are bored by Levy out moaners , many of us are equally bored by changing managers without changing the philosophy of the club to one of striving for success . We feel we know without the latter the former is a waste of both time and money.
It's not your job to do that, it's just your opinion. Where's your evidence?
We have supposedly a professional team off the pitch to evaluate every possible manager out there who can improve us. Brighton do it all the time - not because they sack their managers but because they are small so they'll get poached.
So far, in 20 years, Levy has made 2 good managerial appointments. Redknapp and Poch. And a load of crap ones. in 20 FUCKING YEARS.
Are you saying that in the European leagues there's no one better? Right now I'd take the Brighton manager. The Brentford manager. AFC Bournemouth. I'd take Potter who won't even cost a bean. That's 4 off the top of my head. 3 in jobs who are WAY outperforming all the metrics you can think of, all with experience of the PL which Ange didnt have when we got him.
I want Levy out (wont happen) and I want Ange replaced. And I want some nice things for Xmas.
No cos I've given you 4 names of managers with better PL records than Ange. It's called EVIDENCE
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Where’s all the joking about Ange critics having lost their passwords now?
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Precisely.
Going up 1-0 disguised the fact that we were fortunate to draw today. It was a dismal performance.
5/12- Bournemouth (A)
8/12 - Chavs (H)
12/12 - Rangers (A) Europa League
15/12 - Saints (A)
20/12 - United (H) League Cup
22/12 - Liverpool (H)
26/12 - Forest (A)
29/12 - Wolves (H)
That's our run till the end of the year. Romero, Solanke to come back for Bmuff, and might have Micky and Mikey back on the bench for United.
Needs wins in the cups. Losses in those and he has to go imo - although we all know Levy would fire him on league standing.
8/12 - Chavs (H)
12/12 - Rangers (A) Europa League
15/12 - Saints (A)
20/12 - United (H) League Cup
22/12 - Liverpool (H)
26/12 - Forest (A)
29/12 - Wolves (H)
That's our run till the end of the year. Romero, Solanke to come back for Bmuff, and might have Micky and Mikey back on the bench for United.
Needs wins in the cups. Losses in those and he has to go imo - although we all know Levy would fire him on league standing.
Couldn't be calmer about all this. Keep Ange, sack Ange. Both akin to shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.
Towards the end of last season after Klopp had announced he was leaving there was a discussion on Sky about how good he was. Naturally Keane scoffed at him being considered a great and retorted that he'd only won the premier league once, and it was covid affected.
I look back on that comment and can't help but think it's an unfair remark, Klopp's Liverpool team were brilliant, but failed to win multiple titles purely due to the shithousery and blatant cheating of Manchester City.
From that I came to realise what we do is largely irrelevant. We will sign good players in most Summer windows, have a good manager most seasons and will inevitably finish between 4th to 7th with no cup win, we are simply not the biggest fish in the pond. Rinse and repeat each season, and that standing in English football is independent from the performance of ENIC as owners.
Towards the end of last season after Klopp had announced he was leaving there was a discussion on Sky about how good he was. Naturally Keane scoffed at him being considered a great and retorted that he'd only won the premier league once, and it was covid affected.
I look back on that comment and can't help but think it's an unfair remark, Klopp's Liverpool team were brilliant, but failed to win multiple titles purely due to the shithousery and blatant cheating of Manchester City.
From that I came to realise what we do is largely irrelevant. We will sign good players in most Summer windows, have a good manager most seasons and will inevitably finish between 4th to 7th with no cup win, we are simply not the biggest fish in the pond. Rinse and repeat each season, and that standing in English football is independent from the performance of ENIC as owners.
Stop it, just stop itI’ve mentioned before Rangers play an old firm cup on the Sunday after , they might just have an eye on it result wise + any player wanting to play risk injury so might be to our advantage, maybe
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I don’t know what more we need to see, honestly. What’s Ange doing that anyone we hired couldn’t do?
I know: ‘Levy isn’t going anywhere so it doesn’t matter who the manager is’ and ‘There’s nobody available who’s better’
If we can’t win anything under Levy apart from a hot streak against all expectations, what’s Ange shown that makes us think he’d ever be able to do that? We can’t string two performances together under him. We’re nothing but consistently inconsistent.
The ‘there’s no one better out there’ idea is strange too. There’s no big name out there unemployed, but we’re on the point of knowing Ange isn’t the man, so where’s the risk in drawing a card from the deck? There’s no assistant out there who might bring a better idea, or at least a bounce for the cup and carry us to summer?
The only tenable argument for Ange is if you think he’s bringing something to this group of players that no one else could and that seems ridiculous at this juncture.