This part is 100% true but I really would rather he not say this part aloud.
Media are going to be on that like flies to shit moving forward.
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Media are going to be on that like flies to shit moving forward.
I think he’s better off in the media nowadays, he’s had his time in management.
Right place, right time.
They are fascinating me right now, in terms of trying to identify the problem. I think it's actually multiple problems.
Their recruitment has actually been shite.
In 22/23 they signed (other than Haaland) Ortega, Phillips, Akanji, Perroen?, Ruprecht?, Gomez?, Agyemang?
In 23/24 they signed Kovacic (29 at the time) Gvardiol, Doko, Nunes, Baptiste?, Echeverri?
In 24/25 they signed Savinho, Gundogan, Mabama?
Their squad has been getting older. They have sold the likes of Alvarez, Cancelo, Palmer, Mahrez, Laporte, Jesus, Sterling, Zincenko etc.
The players coming in have largely been of lower quality than the ones that left or are getting older. Players like Walker have suddenly gone from being the best to being too old and slow.
Some are suggesting the sporting director that left is the reason and that's why he's gone. It's possible. It's also possible they know something big is coming down the pipeline with those charges.
I also think Pep and a lot of the longer serving players are unmotivated. They have won everything, multiple times. What keeps them interested?
They have Forest at home Wednesday. Nono has form for beating them when they were good. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that ends 0-0 or a narrow win for Forest tbh. And that's only because Forest will play with caution.
I would disagree. The bloke has proven to me he is out of his depth at this level and I see nothing that makes me believe that he can/will turn things around.I also believe had he not had the 10 game start he had to his Tottenham career that he had then he would have been gone by now.
Getting rid now and bringing in a new manager (Frank for me) would give the new guy 2 windows and a proper pre-season and 30+ games to implement his style of football.
But it’s true. And unfortunately us Aussies call a spade a spade. There’s zero bullshitting.
theyve downgraded the squad massively in the last 3 years. other than haaland, savinho and gvardiol, the rest of them are not anywhere near good enough to be joining the best team in the world. bringing back gundogan is a mad one. its all falling apart there now.
letting alvarez go was a mistake too, he was perfect to not only cover haaland but gave them different dynamic in the final third and he could also play just behind the front man.
peps obsession with trying to force rico lewis to be a big player is strange too, hes way off that level, reminds me of winks for us. like a boy out there against men and makes them so much weaker.
Lol - he said, basically: "Since City I've lost my keeper and my striker on top of an already significant injury list"
Which is, of course, absolutely true. Any manager would point to an injury crisis like this as a reason for dropped levels. Especially when he's entering a 3 week period that will likely end with his sacking.
You didn't have to write an overwrought essay acting as if he's personally spat in your face.
I have to be honest, I didn't see this much of a decline coming from City.
I always had a feeling that eventually Pep would run out of ways to keep players playing his style of football. It happened at Barca. It happened at Bayern. I was a little surprised he renewed his contract. I thought maybe he would take a year off and then surface in an oil league or at PSG.
The fact he signed that deal makes it very interesting now. I can't see them sacking him, but I can't see them turning this decline around. The way they're going they'll be out of the top 6 this season which is mind blowing really.
From an optics point of view, I think they'll ask him to resign if this carries on. They can't be seen to be sacking him, not with his record and stature in the game.
I always had a feeling that eventually Pep would run out of ways to keep players playing his style of football. It happened at Barca. It happened at Bayern. I was a little surprised he renewed his contract. I thought maybe he would take a year off and then surface in an oil league or at PSG.
The fact he signed that deal makes it very interesting now. I can't see them sacking him, but I can't see them turning this decline around. The way they're going they'll be out of the top 6 this season which is mind blowing really.
From an optics point of view, I think they'll ask him to resign if this carries on. They can't be seen to be sacking him, not with his record and stature in the game.
Except in this case its bullshit. Of course journalists are going to talk/reference the fact we went to City's ground 4-0 but in between that lost to Ipswich and got completely outplayed at home to Fulham. As if they wouldn't do the same for ANY club and point out the inconsistency and game raising tendencies.
But yeah, much better to bring up some sort of victim complex and act like its because the meanie media hate us rather than accept its a valid fucking question.
If you are not going forward you are going backwards
Absolutely.
However, you can also (should you choose) look at it from Postecoglou's POV where none of the journo's asking the question mentioned that inbetween the City game and Fulham game he'd lost his striker and goalkeeper to add to an already massive injury list.
Meanwhile over at Sky they spent 30 minutes discussing how much Rodri/De Bruyne missing means to City and how Odegaard (1 fucking player!) cost Scum precious points in the league.
I'd be fucking pissed off too if it was my job on the line
rodri back next year will make them drastically improve, but by then youre right they could be out of the CL. it looks like thats going to be the case. especially as he keeps playing super lightweight midfields. if he gave the midfield some steel to protect the defence he has the forwards to do enough damage on their own, doesnt need to be rocket science.
haaland, bernado, foden, grealish, savinho and KDB...they will go and get you top 4 on their own if you make sure the defence is fairly solid. top 4 minimum!
Or sideways?
Standing still is going backwards.
We're in freefall compared to 15-2022
Apart from the fact that there hasn’t been an injury crisis all season, yet these same results and patterns have persisted regardless. Let’s not pretend this is some sudden development or an excuse for the performances we’ve been seeing for months.Lol - he said, basically: "Since City I've lost my keeper and my striker on top of an already significant injury list"
Which is, of course, absolutely true. Any manager would point to an injury crisis like this as a reason for dropped levels. Especially when he's entering a 3 week period that will likely end with his sacking.
You didn't have to write an overwrought essay acting as if he's personally spat in your face.
What we’re witnessing isn’t just bad luck with injuries—it’s a manager desperately deflecting criticism to protect himself at the expense of the football club. And frankly, your attempt to frame my criticism as though I’m acting like he’s personally spat in my face is just another layer of deflection. The reality is, this isn’t about personal offense at all—it’s about standards that I expect from this football club and the manager of it.
I wrote what I wrote because, imo, he doesn’t deserve to be the manager of this football club (like I said, others have been sacked for far less) and it’s frankly insulting to see people continuously handwave his behavior.
How can anyone justify this level of protection for a manager who has delivered so little for us at this point? I’ve never seen a fanbase bend over backward like this for someone whose achievements here are nonexistent, you could argue that we are objectively worse results wise despite playing "better football" Perhaps the real question is: why are you so determined to defend the indefensible?
Do we? Most of our dropped points have come after a midweek game. It seems to be the main reason why we drop points so often.
I get a lot of the frustrations with Ange, and there are undoubted issues with some of his approach to tactical setup and substitutions.
But I do still quite like him and back him (I’d probably class myself as wanting to see more before making any rash decisions),The root of a lot of this was the summer though - I just don’t think we had a particularly strong transfer window and we’re really paying the price.
From what I’ve read some of that is on Ange and he’s backed himself too aggressively to polish up some diamonds and not realised the elite level of the PL IMO, but the club haven’t helped either.
For me this is particularly evident in the attacking areas (most of the GK and defensive signings have been decent).
None of Johnson, Solanke or Son (current version) are elite level players and it shows when you watch us play. Odebert is young and TBC, Moore is all potential and Werner isn’t of the required level.
If you compare our attacking options to the clubs in and around us we fall short. Our team would be sooo different with a Salah or a Saka in the side who is a consistent and constant threat to opposing full backs, but also offers a great outlet when under pressure.
I expect the inevitable retort of how many goals we’ve scored, but I don’t think that’s a particularly nuanced way of assessing what goes on in every game. Those attackers contribute to us turning over the ball and allowing dangerous counters time after time.
They also don’t pose enough of a threat to low block defences which we are seeing regularly setup against us.
The big myth is that Spurs have become a spending team over the last few years so board criticism isn’t fair. The reality is whilst transfer spend outlay has been refreshingly high, we’ve avoided anyone on chunky wages to prop up the books and that’s why we still have huge amounts of FFP margin and our wage to turnover ratio is so low.
A 65m player on 150k pw costs much less than a 45m player on 300k pw over a 5 year contract. Attacking signings like Johnson, Werner and Solanke haven’t really been game changers for us in any way.
If you look at this summers signings in particular, only Solanke has made any impact so far, and thus I did think 5th - 7th is where we’d be this season before we got started and that’s looking accurate.
As I said above, I think Ange has some culpability in that but as a club we were ineffective this summer and we’re paying the price currently.
I’m willing to cut Ange some slack because I don’t think our squad is particularly great……
But I do still quite like him and back him (I’d probably class myself as wanting to see more before making any rash decisions),The root of a lot of this was the summer though - I just don’t think we had a particularly strong transfer window and we’re really paying the price.
From what I’ve read some of that is on Ange and he’s backed himself too aggressively to polish up some diamonds and not realised the elite level of the PL IMO, but the club haven’t helped either.
For me this is particularly evident in the attacking areas (most of the GK and defensive signings have been decent).
None of Johnson, Solanke or Son (current version) are elite level players and it shows when you watch us play. Odebert is young and TBC, Moore is all potential and Werner isn’t of the required level.
If you compare our attacking options to the clubs in and around us we fall short. Our team would be sooo different with a Salah or a Saka in the side who is a consistent and constant threat to opposing full backs, but also offers a great outlet when under pressure.
I expect the inevitable retort of how many goals we’ve scored, but I don’t think that’s a particularly nuanced way of assessing what goes on in every game. Those attackers contribute to us turning over the ball and allowing dangerous counters time after time.
They also don’t pose enough of a threat to low block defences which we are seeing regularly setup against us.
The big myth is that Spurs have become a spending team over the last few years so board criticism isn’t fair. The reality is whilst transfer spend outlay has been refreshingly high, we’ve avoided anyone on chunky wages to prop up the books and that’s why we still have huge amounts of FFP margin and our wage to turnover ratio is so low.
A 65m player on 150k pw costs much less than a 45m player on 300k pw over a 5 year contract. Attacking signings like Johnson, Werner and Solanke haven’t really been game changers for us in any way.
If you look at this summers signings in particular, only Solanke has made any impact so far, and thus I did think 5th - 7th is where we’d be this season before we got started and that’s looking accurate.
As I said above, I think Ange has some culpability in that but as a club we were ineffective this summer and we’re paying the price currently.
I’m willing to cut Ange some slack because I don’t think our squad is particularly great……
That's simply Ange protecting his own image, as per usual. (The media do actually hate us though, that is pretty evident I think, doesn't stop it being a valid question though.)
All these people who believe Ange should be sacked, realistically who do you bring in? What top manager in their right mind is going to come to Spurs in it's current state, working with a limited wage budget and transfer budget, with demands to target top 4 over any trophy, and have the fans on them from day one?
It's a genuine question... Who would we attract?
It's a genuine question... Who would we attract?
Agreed. Forster, Davies, Werner are a massive drop off from Vicario, VDV and Solanke. The squad depth doesn't have enough quality to handle this many injuries.
Bringng on Bergval and Lankshear yesterday to try and win a game is more proof!